ldyjocelyn Posted September 22, 2007 Report Share Posted September 22, 2007 Sorry to cut this discussion short -- good job everyone! (I'm sure there's a few stragglers out there though....) QUESTION TWO: Should Clay be a "superstar?" A "pop star"? An "entertainer?" Or all of the above? Does he really have to choose? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spikesmom Posted September 22, 2007 Report Share Posted September 22, 2007 and it might just drive the creeps to beat themselves to death in frustration. We can only hope... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Couch Tomato Posted September 22, 2007 Author Report Share Posted September 22, 2007 when he did our little google experment, I was amazed at how much gossip there was about my folks..stuff I had never heard because well I don't follow them regularly. Fantasia really gets beat up by the blogger. Jennifer Hudson had her honeymoon period and then a rash of "she's too big for her britches" stories hit all at once. Loved your post Scarlett. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
playbiller Posted September 22, 2007 Report Share Posted September 22, 2007 (edited) Should Clay be a "superstar?" A "pop star"? An "entertainer?" Or all of the above? Does he really have to choose? None of us know what the future will hold. Clay is a superstar to me, he does not have to be a superstar for everyone. When his career took off, I didn't see anyway but up. I started buying 2 of everything(way too few since my sister waves to Fear didn't for reasons only she knows. I was going to pay for my retirement when he became rich and famous. While, I won't get rich because I don't part with things in a timely fashion, I will do give good gifts, I think to other Clay fans. Some stats that I put out there before. Clay in 4 years Total - 1 platinum single, 1 gold single (1 single not gold), 1 2X platinum album, 1 Platinum album, 1 gold album, 1 gold DVD Bennett in 50 year career Total 8 gold albums, 3 platinum albums, 1 gold DVD and 1 platinum DVD over all those years - allny 3 gold albums before the year 2000, after that a lot of singing with others or greatest hits! Edited September 22, 2007 by playbiller Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liney23 Posted September 22, 2007 Report Share Posted September 22, 2007 (edited) Goodness we're an agreeable lot tonight! Where's the conflict?? Where's the drama??? Ok, CG... OMG... How can he do that... You have got to be kidding me... How can you think that???? ETA: Opps, it took me so long to fix the blue, big font that I got into the next question... sorry! Edited September 22, 2007 by liney23 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atinal Posted September 22, 2007 Report Share Posted September 22, 2007 Somemeone asked upthread, Why is Clay the target? I know that many celebrities have to put up with the crap too, I wonder sometimes, though if they went after Clay because of his nice guy, role model image. It seems that it's almost a sport to try to find dirt on someone with a good guy image. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clayzedover Posted September 22, 2007 Report Share Posted September 22, 2007 (edited) What should Clay do? Exactly what he has been doing. Tabloid papers are in trouble financially. Several years ago I did some research on the medium and it was very revealing. They are losing money, but sure know which palms to grease. I had an article saved. If I can find it, will post it later here. You will be amazed at the connections. FOUND IT Edited September 22, 2007 by clayzedover Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clayrev1956 Posted September 22, 2007 Report Share Posted September 22, 2007 I don't see radio embracing Clay anytime soon (I hope I'm wrong), so I think he'll make his mark in TV. He is an all-around entertainer and belongs on TV, IMO, in a format that can show off both his beautiful voice and comedic skills. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KAndre Posted September 22, 2007 Report Share Posted September 22, 2007 Honestly, I don't think Clay can choose to be a "superstar" or even a "pop star" - a lot of that is luck and serendipity - hitting a bull's eye on the cultural collective - all the work, talent and PR in the world can't make a real superstar. I think Clay has chosen to be an "entertainer" - because he does have control over that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamar1700 Posted September 22, 2007 Report Share Posted September 22, 2007 (edited) QUESTION TWO: Should Clay be a "superstar?" A "pop star"? An "entertainer?" Or all of the above? Does he really have to choose? I don't think he has to choose. It's a new day. The old model is out. You will be amazed at the connections. Oh no doubt. You'd be surprised what reputable companies have their hand in main stream porn. Edited September 22, 2007 by jamar1700 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spikesmom Posted September 22, 2007 Report Share Posted September 22, 2007 No, I don't think he has to choose. I have no burning desire for him to be king of the world and rule all the popstars out there... I want him to be successful yes, but within the limits that he wants... I'd rather he have a long successful career, one where I can keep going to see him, keep helping to make him richer and where he is ultimately happy at the end of the day. I think he's very talented and can do whatever he really wants to.... and I'm here for as long as he wants me... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scarlett Posted September 22, 2007 Report Share Posted September 22, 2007 He should be a "Clay Aiken"!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibby Posted September 22, 2007 Report Share Posted September 22, 2007 Goodness we're an agreeable lot tonight! Where's the conflict?? Where's the drama??? Well, if that's what you want - I think that Clay should do ridiculous things to get noticed in the media, and specifically the tabloid media. I mean, he could go on another airplane and put his whole foot on someone's armrest. He could eat chips as loudly as possible, belch, play his ipod really loud, and then get mad when people told him to stop. He could also neck with an attractive woman where he could obviously be seen and photographed. That would get the tabloids going. A different girl every week for a month. That would be the ticket. :lies: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ldyjocelyn Posted September 22, 2007 Report Share Posted September 22, 2007 Honestly, I don't think Clay can choose to be a "superstar" or even a "pop star" - a lot of that is luck and serendipity - hitting a bull's eye on the cultural collective - all the work, talent and PR in the world can't make a real superstar. I think Clay has chosen to be an "entertainer" - because he does have control over that. I need say no more. I love KAndre, says everything succinctly! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
playbiller Posted September 22, 2007 Report Share Posted September 22, 2007 He could also neck with an attractive woman where he could obviously be seen and photographed. That would get the tabloids going. A different girl every week for a month. That would be the ticket. :lies: BWAH - yeah that really did Ryan a lot of good necking with the desperate housewives woman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claygasm Posted September 22, 2007 Report Share Posted September 22, 2007 Sorry to cut this discussion short -- good job everyone! (I'm sure there's a few stragglers out there though....) QUESTION TWO: Should Clay be a "superstar?" A "pop star"? An "entertainer?" Or all of the above? Does he really have to choose? He doesn't have to choose. Clay should be Clay. He should sing what he wants to sing. Do what he wants to do. He may not choose a path that will lead to super stardom. He may not want to be a "pop" star. he COULD be a pop star super star who is also an entertainer, but that depends on more than just what he wants. He could want that and do everything in his power to be that and still not reach those levels. Reaching that kind of level means acceptance by the industry that supports your climb to the top - like radio and the too cool for school types. I am afraid Clay will never be accepted that way. I suspect he doesn't care if he is. (I do think he wants radio play because he hasn't been able to get it and like most people you always want what you can't have!) Clay doesn't NEED to be a super star pop star to stay around for a long time. He doesn't even need radio play. He may not have a career as big as some would like him to have (which personally I think often has more to do with some people than with Clay....), but he can be successful and have a long and storied career and never become Clay Aiken Superstar! I just want him to have the career HE wants and I want him to be around for a really, really long time! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MyMOAM2 Posted September 22, 2007 Report Share Posted September 22, 2007 How does Clay combat the tabloid media? He ignores, he mocks Play, he mocks...love it. He does.... he really does a good job when he does make a statement. But I think by doing it so rarely it gives him credibility. Aaaaack ......... I almost missed this discussion ! Love what you wrote, CT. I completely agree with you, especially that bolded part. I dont know if he has purposely addressed the tabloids so rarely, but for whatever reason, I do think it has been a very effective strategy. I would think that the trick to all of this is to reach the right audience with the rebuttal. I used to tell my boys that they only had to say "excuse me" as loudly as they had burped so only those who heard the transgression would also hear the apology ! Clay also has an amazing ability to mock when he should and be serious when it is needed. The LKL appearance was needfully serious ............... the AMA appearance by our Lord of the Manor (sigh....loved that look) was mocking because the Kripa rant had been ridiculously over-the-top. His mocking pointed that out to all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ldyjocelyn Posted September 22, 2007 Report Share Posted September 22, 2007 He could also neck with an attractive woman where he could obviously be seen and photographed. That would get the tabloids going. A different girl every week for a month. That would be the ticket. :lies: Wasn't that last night's conversation about "shipping"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spikesmom Posted September 22, 2007 Report Share Posted September 22, 2007 (edited) I mean, he could go on another airplane and put his whole foot on someone's armrest. Oooo, pick me, pick me, I'm flying to Atlanta in a week! Of course, I imagine he's not flying from Milwaukee... bummer. Edited September 22, 2007 by spikesmom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beenthinking Posted September 22, 2007 Report Share Posted September 22, 2007 Should Clay be a "superstar?" A "pop star"? An "entertainer?" Or all of the above? Does he really have to choose? I just can’t answer that question because in the long run it really doesn’t matter what I think or want. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claygasm Posted September 22, 2007 Report Share Posted September 22, 2007 Goodness we're an agreeable lot tonight! Where's the conflict?? Where's the drama??? Ok, CG... OMG... How can he do that... You have got to be kidding me... How can you think that???? ETA: Opps, it took me so long to fix the blue, big font that I got into the next question... sorry! Goodness we're an agreeable lot tonight! Where's the conflict?? Where's the drama??? Well, if that's what you want - I think that Clay should do ridiculous things to get noticed in the media, and specifically the tabloid media. I mean, he could go on another airplane and put his whole foot on someone's armrest. He could eat chips as loudly as possible, belch, play his ipod really loud, and then get mad when people told him to stop. He could also neck with an attractive woman where he could obviously be seen and photographed. That would get the tabloids going. A different girl every week for a month. That would be the ticket. :lies: again. Funny, funny women here! And how come KAndre can say what I said in a couple of short sentences and I go on and on and on and on.....??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ldyjocelyn Posted September 22, 2007 Report Share Posted September 22, 2007 Clay doesn't NEED to be a super star pop star to stay around for a long time. He doesn't even need radio play. He may not have a career as big as some would like him to have (which personally I think often has more to do with some people than with Clay....), but he can be successful and have a long and storied career and never become Clay Aiken Superstar! CG, totally agree! And I think we can look no further than the career of either the Grateful Dead or Jimmy Buffett to back this theory. Yes, both artists have had radio hits and play (although in the Dead's case, they were then "selling out" with "Shades of Grey"), but for the most part, they made their bread and butter money by TOURING. I think Clay can do that as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laughn Posted September 22, 2007 Report Share Posted September 22, 2007 He should be a "Clay Aiken"!!! What ever that means to him, he seems to be doing just fine so far. A non-Clay fan friend who was listening to some of my concert banter the other day said, 'Now there's a man who's comfortable in his own skin.' I think she's right. 'Pop star', 'entertainer'...they're just labels. I hate labels Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibby Posted September 22, 2007 Report Share Posted September 22, 2007 Should Clay be a "superstar?" A "pop star"? An "entertainer?" Or all of the above? Does he really have to choose? I think that it's up to Clay how much of a superstar he wants to be. His current level of success is good - he's living comfortably. But a higher level of superstardom comes with more security issues and even less privacy. I think that Clay's the only one who can decide whether it's worth it to him to deal with more of those kinds of hassles. For me, personally, he doesn't need to be more of a star than he already is. Sure, I'd love for him to be played on the radio, have more critical acclaim, and sell more albums. That would be fabulous. But I'm easy. If that never happens, and most of his albums sell a million or two, he tours a couple times a year, does humanitarian work and is able to kick back in Raleigh between all of it - that's good enough for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Couch Tomato Posted September 22, 2007 Author Report Share Posted September 22, 2007 OK I'm thinking this question should be what do WE want for Clay because really like KAndre said..he can't choose..he can only keep moving forward in his career and what will be will be. I just want him to stay around forever singing. On top of that..I have no problem with TV. I think that will be a way for him to get people to see him anew again. So talk shows, or writing children's books, or a run on Broadway or whatever... he should just follow his heart. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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