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#38: The man just oooooooooozes awwwwwness


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Hi all! Just checking in... I ended up having to work today (boo!) but I'm done and ready to go home, just waiting on an escort to the parking garage and will catch up with you all from home.

Yes cotton, where is it? where? where? This may be our barest/cleanest page 69.

Luckiest and merrieeee, glad you're home!

Aikim - All will be well!

Wonder how the little one's 2nd day went... & hoping he was even louder today, hee!

eta: i'm actually just creating a placeholder on this page so that I can follow cotton's lead from home...

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Something for aikim to add to the countdown/calendar:

From the CH:

FROM RMD (while on vacation)

Just got word that Clay's appearance on the Paula Dean Show will be airing on September 27th at 7pm on the Food Network...
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I truly appreciate those among us who are high-minded and trying to understand those who are disappointed in Clay or think children should only be conceived the old-fashioned way by two married people (of opposite sexes).

I, however, admit only to thinking, "GOODBYE YOU BITCHES AND GOOD RIDDANCE!!!"

So shoot me.

Wandacleo, I must idolize you as I am no longer taking the high road.

<Sorry I'm over it.>

Cindilu :naughtywag:

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The only thing I keep coming back to is that Clay needs to live his life for himself and he does not have to consult, inform, or get the approval of the fandom to do anything. Idol is over. We don't get a vote.
Now you don't have to understand it but really I can't understand things I do or my family does..why would I expect to understand everything from essentially a stranger
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Like I said when I heard about this... it could be complete true or totally false. It's true and I can so see it. Clay creates family everywhere he goes. And now he has a whole new one and I wish them all well.

Well ain't THAT the truth!!!

I remember being told years ago that the true meaning of "Do unto others as you would have others do unto you" is not that you should give someone something you'd like them to give to you but that you should try to understand them the way you want to be understood.

So what I have highlighted above is so true because heck, I am still trying to understand some of the things I say and do, but having said that, most of all I accept myself, am proud of what I do well, am proud of my heart and values but I also accept what I just don't understand about myself and so I try to accept what I don't understand in others, It is, after all, a flaw on MY part that I am not able to understand them. It is really hard sometimes when I cannot, just cannot, understand mindless cruelty to animals and don't even want to understand it. It's one of those life lessons I cannot make sense of. <sigh> But that is different from judging what someone chooses to do with their life when it brings them happiness and does not affect anyone else in a negative way. If I can't enhance their happiness, then I had better step away and find something else to do.

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couchie said:

Idol is over. We don't get a vote.

Amen and Hallelujah! The only 'vote' we get now is with our pocketbooks and our time. If we don't find that he brings us happiness with his professional gifts because of choices he makes in his private life, then we can 'not vote' for him--don't buy his music; don't go to his concerts; don't spend time thinking, talking, angsting about him.

But don't judge him.

When this whole baby thing started with TMZ and the boards were going ballistic, I started an essay entitled, "What We Deserve"...never finished it but am reconsidering that decision.

The man is his own person before he's 'ours'. He's a son and a brother and a grandson and now a father before he is a singer and entertainer---just as I am a daughter and a friend and mother before I am the title on my business card. He deserves the right that we all have---to make our own choices about how we live our lives.

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Completely off-topic, but I've been meaning to post this for weeks and kept forgetting to get the link.....

For Scarlett and anyone else who is into quilting and doesn't already know about this site....

Quilter's Cache

Scarlett, a while back you were talking about quilt patterns; the above site has been in existence for years...and years....and is a HUGE resource for free patterns for quilt blocks of many different types. Simple, complex and everything in between, there are zillions there, and more added every month.

Click on the picture to get a pattern and usually some examples done in different fabrics, and a picture of what a whole quilt done in the block might look like.

Here's another decent one.....Jinny Beyer's site. These tend to be more complex, but again there are tons of them, and they're free.

My favorite online fabric site....EQuilter.com...if there is a fabric they don't have for quilting, you don't need it. :lol: They're very good to deal with.

....and my favorite quilting software....EQ. I've used this for about 10 yrs and never had a problem, and of course they upgrade it regularly. The current version is EQ6, and they have great support and lots of fun stuff, as you can see by this website.

Clay content? Hope Sweet P is home, laying about on the quilt on his bed, with his Daddy! :F_05BL17blowkiss:

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[PSA] For the record, when I read this post, I didn't relate it to being directed at anyone in particular, so my quoting & commenting on it is not directed at anyone in particular. [/PSA]

Negative feelings about the baby, I can understand mixed emotions. There are always mixed emotions about unusual things and the way this baby was handled is unusual, normally baby's are acknowledged and celebrated before hand. I am not going to hate someone for honest confused feelings, but direct insults to the people involved is unneccessary. I like to tread a middle ground where I can acknowledge how I feel honestly without being rude.

I think this is the crux of A LOT of the tention surrounding this situation. We all come from different places and have different life experiences. I can't fault someone for feeling how they feel. I can't fault someone for respectfully stating how they feel. I can even sympathize with their reasoning sometimes. BUT. When it comes to calling names and making moral judgments, that's where I draw the line. <- No pun intended! You don't have to agree with someone's decisions, but not agreeing doesn't mean you have the right to belittle them, nor does it give you the right to belittle and cast stones at those who choose to be happy for the other person.

Again, this is not directed at anyone in particular, but I have experienced the exact situation I described above. I think some people must truly be miserable deep down in their hearts if the only way they can approve of something/someone is if it meets with their exacting standards. They're going to end up awfully lonely someday.

Note the bolded in blue of the above (although what is bolded in red is also particularly relevant). Then read the post below.

I truly appreciate those among us who are high-minded and trying to understand those who are disappointed in Clay or think children should only be conceived the old-fashioned way by two married people (of opposite sexes).

I, however, admit only to thinking, "GOODBYE YOU BITCHES AND GOOD RIDDANCE!!!"

So shoot me.

It works both ways. Just remember that when casting your stones.

I am one of the 'bitches" who is not happy about the kid. It has nothing to do with it being a non-traditional family. I don't condemn Clay or Jaymes, just am not happy about it, how he handled it when the news broke and a variety of other things. I have dealt with them and moved on (in my life, not away from the fandom). I had decided to keep my distance from the board while the inevitable reveling was going on so as not to rain on anyone's parade. I know my feelings are in the minority (shocking I know!), so I chose to not submit myself to the posts that would make my blood pressure rise and let all who are happy be happy. Little did I know some on this board had decided that if you weren't happy about this you were a bitch and should get the hell out!

I have not been anywhere to read posts spewing crap about this being immoral or passing judgement on Clay on so-call religious grounds etc. Those people really would scare me. They remind me of the zealots who condemned me because I hated YWT. I can understand anger directed at them.

But from what I can see here, the anger is being directed at anyone who is not over the moon happy about this. And that is just wrong. I repeat what annabear said:

I think some people must truly be miserable deep down in their hearts if the only way they can approve of something/someone is if it meets with their exacting standards.

I repeat: It works both ways. So next time any of you yell something like "GOODBYE YOU BITCHES AND GOOD RIDDANCE!!!", try looking in a mirror as you say it.

Oh, and this "bitch" is not going to let anyone drive her away.

PSA: I only used wandacleo's post as an example. I was not directing my comments only at her, nor singling her out.

ETA: Just to make one thing clear. I am in no way implying the Clay and Jaymes should have taken my happiness into consideration when making this decision. That would be absurd. My unhappiness about it is mine and mine alone. I am in no way implying my feelings should have any bearing on any decision Clay ever makes. He should and will do what he believes is right for him. He will make bad decisions. He will make good ones. But its his life to live, not mine. I am aware of that.

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The man is his own person before he's 'ours'. He's a son and a brother and a grandson and now a father before he is a singer and entertainer---just as I am a daughter and a friend and mother before I am the title on my business card. He deserves the right that we all have---to make our own choices about how we live our lives.

AMEN! :word: Preach it, sistah!!!!

Gibby, Thanks for the pictures. I knew I could count on you!!! :thankyou:

:F_05BL17blowkiss:

Aw, you're welcome, Scarlett! *HUGS*

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I am one of the 'bitches" who is not happy about the kid.

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I know my feelings are in the minority (shocking I know!), so I chose to not submit myself to the posts that would make my blood pressure rise

Are we all expressing ourselves completely tonight. Okay then, it drove up my blood pressure to see you refer to Clay's only-hours-old newborn as "the kid." I think that is totally bitchy, by the way.

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Been gone all day - work and then dinner out. Came in now to read what was happening.

Clay's silence when the TMz story broke served to polarize his fans on whether this little baby was his or not. He did that knowingly and with purpose. Friendships have suffered because of this polarization. Everybody had an opinion and there's was the only one allowed.

Now he's made the announcement and some are ripping it apart. And some are going over the top with celebration.

But it's pretty sad when someone can't say "the kid" without being called bitchy! There aren't allowable opinions on this board tonite unless yours is part of the mindset that everything is just wonderful and it's the best thing since sliced bread.

I'm happy for Clay, I truly am. He's obviously very, very happy about being a Daddy.

It would be nice if it was just as simple as that.

But unfortunately his fans have yet again made it a battlefield.

It's okay to be over the moon about this child - but it's not okay to belittle and criticize people who aren't.

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I am one of the 'bitches" who is not happy about the kid.

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I know my feelings are in the minority (shocking I know!), so I chose to not submit myself to the posts that would make my blood pressure rise

Are we all expressing ourselves completely tonight. Okay then, it drove up my blood pressure to see you refer to Clay's only-hours-old newborn as "the kid." I think that is totally bitchy, by the way.

Why is that bitchy?

He is a kid. I refer to all children, and some adults, as kids. I see nothing wrong or bitchy about that term. What term would have met your exacting standards? Should I have referred to him as that darling perfect child? The sweet wonderful baby? He is a kid. I called him a kid. Not sure why you find that bitchy.

But since I am expressing myself completely tonight - which is something I thought we could do on this board any night - I think your response to my previous post is a perfect post to prove my point. I once again have to quote annabear:

I think some people must truly be miserable deep down in their hearts if the only way they can approve of something/someone is if it meets with their exacting standards.
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Thank God for new life! :F_05BL17blowkiss:

That says it all for me. :F_05BL17blowkiss:

I got home about 8:30 but then a friend called I haven't talked to for a long time and we were on the phone so long my battery went dead. LOL. Anyway, I was at my mother's most of the day (working my ass off in a stinky hot house). Today (yesterday--the 9th) was her 95th birthday. She's the oldest person I've ever known. :hysterical: She's somewhat blind and somewhat deaf and somewhat off mentally and somewhat feeble, but she's still independent (somewhat), ambulating, interacting, and (literally) alive, so yeah for her. And our Scrabble game ended in a tie!

She's a splendid distraction from getting too emotionally involved in whatever to do with Clay. Or Clay is a splendid distraction, depending on how you look at it. While I was surprised, my image of Clay wasn't shaken or radically changed in any way. I didn't think this unlike him, or think it out of character (nor do I think it's particularly odd). I do expect him to surprise me, and I love that he does. So I haven't had to work at anything, really, and I know I'm fortunate that is the case. Why I can look at the same things others do, and interpret them so differently, I don't know--or vice versa--but bottom line, luckily for me, I'm happy about this situation, happy he's happy, looking forward to what's next, happy that he is living no particular way but his own.

Are we having fun yet??? :hysterical::hysterical::hysterical::hysterical:

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How people dealt with what happened is on them, not Clay. He doesn't owe anyone an explanation of his personal life -- nor should he base his life on how this effects the fans. Especially on something this important he should think of himself, and his family. We aren't his family and none of this should effect us in a personal way. IMO. Like I said earlier, I have sympathy but really it only goes to a certain point. Clay had to deal with shit thrown on him at his own fan site, and on the mother of his child. He doesn't owe the fans any more consideration than he chose to give. All IMO.

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How people dealt with what happened is on them, not Clay. He doesn't owe anyone an explanation of his personal life -- nor should he base his life on how this effects the fans. Especially on something this important he should think of himself, and his family. We aren't his family and none of this should effect us in a personal way. IMO. Like I said earlier, I have sympathy but really it only goes to a certain point. Clay had to deal with shit thrown on him at his own fan site, and on the mother of his child. He doesn't owe the fans any more consideration than he chose to give. All IMO.

No shit.

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HEY!

It's page #69!!

WHERE'S THE SMUT???!!!!

:imgtongue:

:Iluvclaysbutt:

Heh.. I'll bite. (Get your minds out of the gutter)

The first thing I ever 'made' in PSP....

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cindilu.... BWAH!!! :cryingwlaughter::cryingwlaughter::cryingwlaughter:

couchie said:

Idol is over. We don't get a vote.

Amen and Hallelujah! The only 'vote' we get now is with our pocketbooks and our time. If we don't find that he brings us happiness with his professional gifts because of choices he makes in his private life, then we can 'not vote' for him--don't buy his music; don't go to his concerts; don't spend time thinking, talking, angsting about him.

But don't judge him.

When this whole baby thing started with TMZ and the boards were going ballistic, I started an essay entitled, "What We Deserve"...never finished it but am reconsidering that decision.

The man is his own person before he's 'ours'. He's a son and a brother and a grandson and now a father before he is a singer and entertainer---just as I am a daughter and a friend and mother before I am the title on my business card. He deserves the right that we all have---to make our own choices about how we live our lives.

muski... :F_05BL17blowkiss:

CG... child would have been a term that would have worked better than kid, it sounds more respectful... JMHO

I know you think Clay is ruining his career with this move. I know you think he handled the tmz scoop badly. We all know that. I also know you've always been a good fan, regardless of your disapproval. He made the decisions he did and he will have to live with the consequences and at this moment, I'll bet he's absolutely thrilled with those consequences.

You are not one of the "bitches" annabear and wandacleo were talking about and I think you know that, so I'm not sure what your objective was in your "hurt" posts. They were both talking about those calling Clay and Jaymes names and those deciding that he is no longer a man of God or even a decent human being any longer cause he didn't go the traditional route to have Parker. You haven't done either of those, but just expressed your unhappiness. Whole different thing.

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Thanks everyone for the hugs; it really wasn't that bad of a day; just not what I envisioned for my first daughters wedding shower...but it really wasn't about me; it was about Emily and she had a great time. I remember my wedding and how controlling my mother was and I made a promise to myself that I would not be that way and I did not want to put Emily in the middle of an arguement between her MIL and myself; which is why I agreed to the joint shower. Some times you have to pick your battles and this was just one day.

Kim

Kim - I am checking in late, as usual.

As the mother of 4 girls also, with three of them married, I can vouch for the fact that not all Mothers of the Groom were created equal. Some are more controlling than others. And some just want to help out. I hope you get a couple in the "just want to help out" category for the next couple of weddings!! :F_05BL17blowkiss:

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I feel like I have been having to deal with my own wrongful curiosity and other people's takes on the unknown for far too long now.

There are things to be kept in mind before "deciding" an opinion.

1) we don't know Clay, he is a complex human being as we all are.

2) we don't know the details of of Cl;ay's career or life and any opinions are only the vaguest guesses and should not be used to make statements to his career or life. We just don't know.

3) the term I objected to and the persons I would like to see gone are the ones who are using bastard to describe the child. Because a) it is rude and b ) might not legally be described that way and c) it shows what a rude ass that person is. I have also seen Jayes described several ways that are far from complementary. They don't know her, they don't know the situation, so if is presumtive to use those terms and once again shows these people as ignorant of manners.

It is especially offensive on Clay's board. The key is, it is a few people, and they tend to post over and over and over.

About the way it was handled by Clay

1) It is quite possible that it was handled that way it was because of the rude and obnoxious behavior of some fans on the OFC. I am sure that no woman who is connected to Clay will ever get a pass, his mother is vilified, yet the people who know her, love her. She must have some redeeming qualities. It is only the people who don't know her and will never be in the inner circle who dislike her based on random facts.

2) It is quite possible that Clay received advice of the best way to handle this by gasp!!! professional image people. Clayfans are such nosy big mouths, it didn't work the way they forsaw.

I know that most fan groups would like to know things and it would be cool if they could be celebrated and anticipated as others do in the media, but this is Clay with a cafre of women who cut each other down publically all the time and many trash all women in his vicinity for laughs.

I think Clay is constantly between a rock and a hard place in this fandom, there is no way he can ever win. I don't want to kick fans out, I want to help them find some way to accept things. Clay needs his fans and many people are having trouble with the way this wa handled, some are suffering quietly politely, others are more vociferous. And then there are the usual turd stirrers that are completely without honor and don't want a solution.

Tis will be a rough time, I apreciate letting people celebrate, but not everyone is doing that.

It is possible that Clay got married in a civil ceremony out of this country and we don't know - there would be an explosion if he did. I only state this, not because I need or want this to be a fact, but to indicate that this is one more possiblity in the myriad of possiblities in the great unknown. If it is not the fans barbequeing Clay, it is the media that would find a way of attacking any woman involved with Clay.

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CG... child would have been a term that would have worked better than kid, it sounds more respectful... JMHO

And that was a more respectful way of stating that opinion than telling me I was being bitchy! I ALWAYS use the term "kid". Always have. Its second nature to me and was used with no disrespect intended. I just do not see how anyone can see the word "kid" as bitchy or disrespectful. I am sorry if anyone thought that but geez! I hear more people refer to their children as kids than I do as their child! Its a common term. In the dictionary, the very first definition of the term "kid" is Informal. a child or young person. I mean, we often talk about Clay's private parts. I think I can use an informal term when referring to his child!

So I am warning everyone. Chance are I will almost always refer to his child as his kid. I mean no disrespect and frankly I am shocked anyone was offended by the use of such a commonly used word!

I know you think Clay is ruining his career with this move. I know you think he handled the tmz scoop badly. We all know that. I also know you've always been a good fan, regardless of your disapproval. He made the decisions he did and he will have to live with the consequences and at this moment, I'll bet he's absolutely thrilled with those consequences.

Well, I never said Clay was ruining his career with this move. But thank you so much for saying I have always been a good fan. You have no idea how much that means to me because I think many do not think that about me. So thank you.

You are not one of the "bitches" annabear and wandacleo were talking about and I think you know that, so I'm not sure what your objective was in your "hurt" posts. They were both talking about those calling Clay and Jaymes names and those deciding that he is no longer a man of God or even a decent human being any longer cause he didn't go the traditional route to have Parker. You haven't done either of those, but just expressed your unhappiness. Whole different thing.

I know I wasn't one of those "bitches" annabear was talking about but wandacleo said:

I truly appreciate those among us who are high-minded and trying to understand those who are disappointed in Clay or think children should only be conceived the old-fashioned way by two married people (of opposite sexes).

The way her post is worded lumped those of us who are disappointed with those passing judgement on him. Perhaps that is not what she meant, but it sure is what she said. Perhaps she can clarify.

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I remember feeling hurt when a dear friend didn't reveal her pregnancy until she was starting to show. I had thought she would want to share the good news, but she had suffered a miscarriage the year before - and I mean really suffered emotionally with it. She didn't want to tell people she was expecting and then possibly have to tell them she had lost it. Not saying that this is the case with Jaymes and Clay, just giving an example of why someone might want to wait and share the information.

There's a very exclusive golf course development near us - so exclusive that many people who live in the small town nearby don't even know it exists. DH and I have worked in there, so we've seen what kind of steps they've taken as a community to protect the privacy of the owners. Most people would recognize the names of at least some of the people that live there. I have to admit that a few years ago I would have thought the place extravagant and snobbish, but after watching what has happened to Clay in the media and with some of his fans, I applaud the developers of this community. In the depressed building market around here it's the only place where new construction is continuing at a rapid pace. With so much information available on celebrities (or really anyone, for that matter), privacy is almost priceless.

Having said that, I'd still love to see a picture of Baby and Daddy. :F_05BL17blowkiss:

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I've pretty much always sided with Clay over fan's feelings - perhaps angelwingy but don't really care. I know of at least one person warned elsewhere for not being understanding to other fans who are hurt but expressing themselves in a way that is disrspectful to Clay and his PERSONAL choices. This isn't a career choice. He doesn't have to clairfy himself. The moment Clay posted someting on his website it was all over the news. If he wanted that precious baby to make its way into the world before responding then so be it. It's not a wrong decision if it was the best decision for him. So that means the people that have to come to grips with how it was handled are the ones hurt or upset by it.

saltwater... me too. I'd love to see Parker as well.

And bottle, heee yep sounds very professional. What did that numerologist say about business acumen... so maybe he'll head an accounting firm.

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