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  1. Couchie, I may as well take the opportunity to say this. I hope you never run the country. You have the worst communication skills for someone running anything at all. Oh maybe I am just used to higher standards. Half the time you don't even make sense.
  2. ... say what you want about me but I'm not having this. couchie
  3. http://findingclayaiken.invisionzone.com/i...st&p=106953
  4. If my post had nothing to do with it, why did you ask me to "kindly email the person a private correction and let it be over. But that's just too easy - let's make this tiny thing into something larger than it needs to be." That's following my post telling you about the error at CANN. If you weren't talking to me, what.. you were talking to the journalist ... was the journalist a member of this forum? Gees Couchie, sometimes I really can't make head or tail of what you are saying but this takes the cake. And please, don't say turn what you need to own as MY problem that I am doing to everyone else. I don't have a problem with the way most people post, they usually quote, which means I know exactly what they are addressing. Read my post, and then read your response directly underneath. That is typical of how you respond to posts.
  5. The tone I am using matches yours. It should NOT be regarded as aggressive. I said my POSTS were stalked, that was the observation passed on to me. Stalked/targeted, and jumped on and refuted and where possible, high-fived for good measure. It became a pattern. And no, I won't be giving anyone's name. They can do it themselves if they want to but why would they want to? Most aren't even members, so no point in telling you. They contact me via my email address which they found in the Glossary if they didn't know me beforehand. You'd be amazed at some of the observations. If you think this is all 'heresay', that's okay with me, you can believe what is easier and more comfortable for you to believe, or you can stop and think about it. Your choice. Sorry, but I am not in the thick of every conversation. There are many posts that don't interest me. For one thing, I am not interested in Clay's love life because I feel it is disrespectful to intrude on his privacy, that is the least I can do even though I think he has resigned himself to the fact he can't do anything about it. I am more interested in his beautiful son, although I feel guilty about THAT intrusion of privacy but I have a soft-spot for babies and Parker won't be a baby for much longer. And I don't involve myself in some non-Clay topics such as movies, television, sport and other posts I don't agree with or I find utterly boring, but I pass them over, just as others who are not interested in some of what I post, pass over my posts. No sweat about that. That is normal behavior. Right, then you know that djs111 has a tendency to throw a tantrum out of the blue if someone says something she doesn't like. Regarding a discussion about Clay, one member made a very valid comment about Clay being stubborn. You should have heard djs go on about it. I went to find the actual text from LTS and posted it, and that caused another flare up. It is totally bizarre. You know, just because we make a comment about Clay that doesn't involved gushing about him, it doesn't mean we are being nasty about him. It is ludicrous that we have to walk on egg-shells over a simple opinion about Clay. Come on, what's the average age of the posters in here? It is ridiculous. I have a style too and not everyone likes it. DJS111 crossed the line when she took a swipe at my country. That was the straw that broke the camel's back. It's not a put down I will tolerate from anyone. Are you fine with THAT kind of style? You were sensitive to my complaints? Heck, you never even answered a direct question I was waiting and waiting for you to respond to. I asked you if bullying was condoned in this forum and you never answered. I thought it was an important question. In fact, from my understanding, you weren't interested in answering my question because the board was having a 'smut' session and my question was out of context. I will find the posts if you want, including the one from you to 'read the room', because I was the only one out of step with the smutting. At the time, however, I thought you wouldn't answer because you didn't want to admit me that the bullies in this forum have free reign to do what they like. Here's an example of how you slammed me when CANN was relatively new to me and I noticed an inaccuracy and pointed it out because I was wondering how reliable that site was going to be in terms of factual information. Since I am less informed about Clay matters than most in the fandom, it always bothers me if I know something an information site (such as CANN) was wrong about. The link below will take you to my post, to which you responded like this:.... ping number one,, but whatever. It's one of my pet peeves, the need to run in and correct every freaking article and protect poor little Clay. Clay isn't singled out for poor journalism; it's the norm. He was praised..kindly email the person a private correction and let it be over. But that's just too easy - let's make this tiny thing into something larger than it needs to be. How many time have one innocuous comment turned into someone with their own bully pulpit turning on the Claymates. And we wonder why we have the reputation that we do. But this is Clay Nation. Sorry to offend anyone but it's how I feel. I just wish Clay were the focus of this fandom and not the people out to "do him in." http://findingclayaiken.invisionzone.com/i...amp;#entry99845 Although I was subdued in my response to what you said above, I was startled and somewhat hurt about being slammed over such a small thing., I did not understand what you were going on about. Was it appropriate to slam a member who had no idea about the historical furore. Oh, I am learning about it all now, and it is the only reason I decided against joining the OFC. I've been told too many times on this board how crazy all those fans are over there and how terrible it is. Why would I put myself in a position of being tempted to go there when anything and everything that is important is revealed in due course and I can know about without all the crap. You'd be amazed how many fans have told me they rarely involve themselves actively in Clay forums anymore because it is just not worth the angst when they are being pushed around and told what they are allowed to think and say. Good grief, It is not about disagreeing that bothers me. It is about the WAY it is done, the belittling, the humiliation. It's why some members visit and read but NEVER post and/or NEVER join. They still feel a connection with Clay but they prefer to keep connected from a distance. They have too much respect for themselves to subject themselves to Clayboard bootcamp. For one thing, it is hard not to get defensive when a bunch of people ALL go against you, hi-fiving to add extra weight to throw on you. Any wonder why those who don't agree with them don't want to be involved? Terrible, isn't it, when people are too scared to say what they want to say because the heavies on this board make them feel they have no right to their opinion, which happens to be different. See my response above - sharing opinions and having discussions is one thing. Belittling someone to boost one's own ego or self-importance and be in good standing with the "popular girls group" is tantamount to bullying. Trust me, that word was also fed to me from someone else. "as the mountain to the climber is clearer from the plain" (Kahlil Gibran) When someone never ever acknowledges your post or indeed your existence despite over 1000 posts EXCEPT to attack what you have said, I have a problem with that. There is one person, only one person in this forum I have despised for some time. The others, some I give them the benefit of the doubt that they are having a bad day and need an easy target, or it's a quirk, we all have them. I gave you the benefit of the doubt the day you tore into me about my CANN post ... I figured you were perhaps tired, taking care of family needs etc. But you know what I also have RL stuff to deal with, do YOU ever give me that consideration on this board? Like the time you and KAndre flippantly dissed and dismissed everything I said regarding how I felt about Beyonce's behavior over Jennifer Hudson's tragedy....that was very close to the bone for me because I too experienced a situation where someone I thought was my friend (with a long family-type history) kept their distance when I suffered a major tragedy, yet there were others that I expected nothing from who bent over backwards to help and comfort me. I couldn't believe the attitude from you and Kandre. Yes, I felt for Jennifer Hudson, not because she was a celebrity because God knows I don't get star struck (and still at times can't quite get the OTT gushing over Clay), but because she was a human being who was in so much pain, and just at that time, I felt it with her. Are you so insensitive.. even if you didn't agree, who was damn Beyonce to you that you had to defend her cold and uncompassionate behavior? I've never felt quite the same about you and KAndre since that day and I almost left the board that day because I couldn't believe everyone on this board was indifferent to someone else's monumental tragedy, until I realized they possibly didn't feel comfortable contradicting you and Kandre's strong opinion because I refused then to believe that this board is full of cold-hearted, uncompassionate people. Not comfortable to say what they really think, yes. Cold-hearted, maybe some but not all. The considerable respect and high regard I had for both you and KAndre was killed that day. Had all the mods joined in with you and KAndre, I would have left and never returned. I probably would have left the fandom as well. That is how strongly I felt, yet you didn't have the empathy to sense it. I first needed to know what the rules were here about bullying before I talk to anyone else on the administrative team. If bullying, belittling, humiliating and pushing around members who aren't "originals" or who don't agree with everything the "in crowd" stipulates, members need to be told IN ADVANCE. What does "go to feedback" mean? Yes, personal sniping is very offensive. I have strong opinions because I have a strong interest in a lot of things, but if someone attacks my posts I will be defensive. I don't mind people disagreeing. It's nice to have someone agree with you but I've never learned anything from anyone who always agrees with me. However, give a civilised reason so that it is actually a conversation, an exchange of information. And like everyone else, I will defend my country if anyone takes a swipe at my homeland, even if it was only to hurt me. That falls into the bullying category when you touch on someone's country, particularly when someone from the most powerful country in the world takes a swipe at a much lesser country. In my case, I am very sensitive about it because I have suffered directly as a result of some of the decisions my country took to support the USA in stupid wars. I think it was Oprah who, standing up and facing her audience, asked the question: "WHY does the world hate America". I have no other comment, but don't shoot the messenger... go and ask Oprah what she was talking about, that's if you really don't know what she was talking about.
  6. Actually, 'stalking' was someone else's term for the way you have been compulsively refuting every single post I have made. I wasn't 'setting traps'. I simply posted what I wanted to say but started to take notice of the way you jump on my posts. You know, there are people who read this board, who are very cluey... they aren't even members.
  7. djs111 BLOCK ME. IGNORE ME. I am too stupid for you to waste your time on. NOW QUIT STALKING ME.
  8. I wasn't directly responding to your post either, I included it because I was adding my comments (rather than responding to yours) to what you said, especially the part where Clay was 'pissed' about the association. Sorry, I should have highlighted that part ... that whole association thing annoyed me as well, and I don't blame Clay for not being happy about it.
  9. Not for one nano second did I ever, EVER associate Clay with Adam. They are chalk and cheese on so many levels. I don't define Clay by his sexuality. I think of Adam as a great singer, not a great 'gay' singer. If any association was to be done on my part, it would have been Clay/Kris because when they were on Idol, they both had a kind of boy-next-door image.
  10. GollyGeeWiz I had no idea... I thought voting always represented either 100% one way or the other. D101 D101 D101. Here, let me slap the side of my own head so you don't have to hurt YOUR hand doing it. Yes I know, I am so sorry about writing about a TV show and that such drivel could have compelled you to drag yourself away from your ball game in order to enlighten me. I guess my frivolous interest in new artists in the music scene is less important. <sigh> You're so right, so, so very right. In fact, absolutely right. Dammit, these singers who go on TV in high-rating, major singing competitions, causing viewers to have opinions about them. Who do they think they are? I feel your pain. Oh wait, did Clay say that? OK, then that must be right. Thanks for informing me, I would hate to ever disagree with what Clay says, unless of course he says he is stubborn, in which case I know I need to understand that when Clay said he was stubborn, he wasn't really saying he was stubborn and only myopic idjits would read the word "stubborn" and ASSume he is speaking English. OMG, what a tantrum you threw when a member of this board had the audacity to say that Clay was stubborn, something Clay stated about himself in LTS. But thank you for reminding me, I really must smack myself in this regard. Wait, let me get the whip, that will leave some long term marks as a tangible reminder and maybe even cause some kind of short term bleeding. Oh, that is really a difficult concept for me to grasp. I may need time to digest it but I don't really know if I am capable. Can you pretty-please retype all that .... but s-l-o-w-e-r and no big words. Um dunno... I personally would not know as I am not as clever as anyone living in the U.S. of A. How dare anyone from some faraway insignificant country with a negligible population have a difference of opinion with an AMERICAN. God Bless America, fearless leader of the world. But waaaaaaiiiiit... weren't you the patriotic American who was upset because you wanted to come and live in MY small, American-butt-kissing country but you didn't meet the selection criteria... let me put it in another way... we.didn't.want.you. It must be awful to miss out on the benefits of living in a country that has a free health scheme, where lottery winnings - woohoo to me - are tax-free, where the life-style is arguably one of the best in the world. But look on the bright side, YOUR BIG COUNTRY gets to determine which country to attack, and all you have to do is tell my country to kiss your ass because we're either with you or against you. Don't you dare make such a snide put-down about my country again. First, show me what across-the-board whatever I applied to "you", plural. Secondly, darnit, I forgot... I am not an original fan, I only discovered Clay a year later than the original fans. I should listen to the original fans, they are always right, they know what to dismiss, what not to dismiss, who is a good singer, who is not, who is a good fan, who is not. Hail the original fans, may you always put new fans in their place ... if they want to be a Clay fan, they must never have an opinion of their own, especially if they are repeating an opinion Clay expressed about himself that you don't agree with. (so... were you calling Clay a liar or just delusional?) So Clay doesn't need new fans, he has the original ones, except, of course, for the original ones who have left because they can't support gay artists. Hm, is it better to be an original fan who left the fandom, or be a non-original who accepts Clay exactly as he is. That's a hard question. Way too hard for a non-original, non-American fan to try and figure out. I am so sorry for causing you to feel negative emotions such as resentment because I posted a what-the-heck prediction. Please try your very-very best to believe me when I say I didn't actually imply any such thing but it is clearly my fault that I nevertheless caused you to ASSume it due to my poor communication skills. Must be because I am lapsing back to the time in my life when I spoke two other languages and not a word of English. Let me think back to yet another smaller, non-American country I was living in back then. You know, I have an idea, why don't you block me, then you don't have to force yourself to nit-pick and come up with any little thing you can think of in order to DIFFER. You know, there is a way to differ with someone without flippant rudeness. I am not the only one who has been keeping track of the way you have been stalking my posts for no reason other than to deliberately refute every.single.thing I say, even if it means clutching at straws to do it. At first I thought I was imagining it, so I started making some deliberate posts and you took the bait, every time. Heck, I have now come to the conclusion that if I were to mention that my own dog was mostly black, you'd find a way to differ with my definition of what constitutes a black dog that belongs to me. What have I done to you ... what, have a conflict with one of your board-member friends and you are trying to chalk up some feel-good brownie points in your favor? For the most part, I don't hold grudges. I have a disagreement and tomorrow is a new day. Life is too short for grudges. If I 'stab' anyone, I 'stab them in the front' where they can defend themselves. That's the difference. I don't entertain myself by b*tching about people behind their backs and then acting it out on the board. Good grief, I almost offered two members of this board tickets to Vegas to see Clay but in the end, couldn't decide who to ask. And there was only one person on this board I wouldn't have offered it to. That's how much I don't hold grudges. I would hate for you to read my posts and have feelings of resentment towards some tiresome non-American, non-original Clay fan. That will free up more time for you to watch your ball game in peace, resting-assured that I know nothing about ball games except that there is usually a ball involved. It means I will never post anything about ball games that you have to read and refute. I promise to never learn to understand a ball game because of the danger that I may become a ball-game-fan, but worse, a non-original, non-American ball-game-fan. So is it a deal? Block me. PLEASE. Ok, I could block you, but I've never had to do it before on any forum. And mods/admin, before you tell me I should have taken this post to PM, please be told that I did try but djs111 is not accepting PMs. However, a couple or so months ago, I DID succeed in sending a PM and asking pretty much what the ??? If you want to see the post and the response, I will forward it to you.
  11. I don't know who "we" are, but I just disagree. I don't see the Idol vote as indicative of anything beyond a vote in the 8th season of Idol. I rarely watch the show anymore, although I don't have a problem with it, I just don't have time. And I certainly don't vote, but I wouldn't have voted for Adam under any circumstances, because he disqualified himself with his butchered version of One, which I did see. And even though I left a homophobe husband over Elton John, I can't be counted on to vote for the gay guy. I don't see the Idol vote as a "cause." Since you are clearly NOT homophobic, I don't understand why you would assume I was talking about how someone like you would vote if you were to vote in AI when there is a gay contestant earmarked for victory. I was talking about the kind of homophobic person who may possibly not even care about AI, but had heard about an openly gay contestant who was poised to take the title and how the judges had all but crowned him. I heard someone once say "never, never underestimate the level of hatred harbored by homophobic people, they can't stand it that there is already an unacceptable (to them) level of gay acceptance in the entertainment industry." The internet allows them to network amongst themselves, and carry out their agenda. The net has some very dark 'communities' ... they don't feature in our lives and so the vast majority of us have no idea they exist, or that they exist at the extreme level that they do. I would never have believed it myself except that I am on various email contact lists, some of which I have no idea how I ended up on, and rather than unsubscribing and pretending they don't exist, I decided to periodically read what they have to say, and I tell you, it is chilling what goes on in the minds of some people. Pure hatred against anything that is foreign (in terms of 'unfamiliar') to them. It is fitting that the word 'phobia' is in the word that describes an anti-gay person because the absolute and extreme opposite of love is not hate, but fear. ETA: I used the term "we" because at the end of the day, each of us, in the corner of our own little world, make up the bigger picture of how social attitudes change. There has been vast changes, VAST, but it isn't as progressive at the level some people like to believe it is. EATA: Last year, someone who knows nothing about Clay except that he was in AI and that I like him, sent me a YouTube video of one of Clay's less than impressive vocals (I wish I could remember which one it was) and I sent back his AI performances of UM, BOTW, Solitaire and said something along the lines of "don't judge on one performance". Another person sent me that performance of Clay doing a fun send up of Madonna, Justin Timberlake etc, except they didn't send it to me for the same reason a Clay fan might have. With some people, I don't even bother explaining. You see, it cuts both ways. One thing I constantly try to remind myself .. don't jump to conclusions, give people a chance and maybe another chance ... because no one is perfect.
  12. Yes, there are lots of Christians with open minds and big hearts who are anything but bigots, but the situation that developed regarding Proposition 8 is enough to convince me that there was enough homophobia across the board voting against the idea of a gay American Idol. "We" aren't as tolerant as "we" would like to believe. JMO On a brighter note, even if Adam is not your thing, if you have a good ear for vocal music and accents, give this a chance: Adam Lambert at age 22 Come to Me, Bend to Me - Brigadoon
  13. Nah. Not going to be that big of a deal. And just maybe, just a possibility, consider that people voted for Kris because they liked Kris' music. It could happen! (tm Judy Tenuta). It is not like the guys had similar styles and choosing between them was apples and apples. Anyway, it has been a while since votes for anybody translated into sales - just ask Taylor Hicks. Also think there are narrow-minded people of all religions, not just Christians. This is why I kind of hoped Adam would win, less angst. I hate that Kris is going to get Ruben-ized and his win diminished a bit. Second hope is that there are lots of online boards just for Adam. Heck, not for one minute am I diminishing Kris' talent. I think he is a superb artist, a very talented musician, but in terms of the outcome, I do believe he won for the wrong reasons, and since (I understand) the voting numbers were close, it means that all those bonus votes he got would have helped him over the finishing line. Of COURSE there are bigots in every religion, I am not pointing the finger exclusively at Christians but it's arguably more about Christians than any other religion who are casting their objection. If this were Idol in a Muslim country, the narrow-minded Muslims would be the ones who would vote against the Adam-equivalent. And OF COURSE there would also be Christians who voted for Kris for the right reasons, because they love his music and they feel a spiritual kinship with him And OF COURSE they are those who voted for Kris because they believed he was the best and they will be buying his CD. I am sorry, I didn't realize I was being so ambiguous. I thought it was clear enough what i was trying to way without writing a huge post. I guess I need to brush up on my communication skills. But but but... Didn't Simon (or someone who was TPTB) say that both Clay and Ruben's CD would be launched at the same time? And that was announced IMMEDIATELY after the results, so that Ruben's album was never slated to go out first. Or am I dreaming that? And yes, I KNOW every runner up has had an album but did they always release BOTH albums at the same time, or released the winner's first, and the runner-up later? What I am saying is that I believe they will release both Kris' and Adam's CD at the same time, like they did with Clay and Ruben. There is already one called the Lambrits .... Adam's fans in the UK. Really? I thought that in all 7 seasons, all the winners sold more than the runners-up, EXCEPT for Ruben and Taylor. That means, since Taylor won, Jordin sold more than Blake in Season 6, and David C sold more than David A in Season 7. Is this wrong? I haven't been studying results, I just have this impression from stuff I randomly read. ETA: I can't believe Clay wasn't even mentioned in this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tXSWjpyGmrc
  14. His 'Mad World' ... wow I was mesmerized. I predict: CDs for Kris and Adam both launched at the same time.The Danny fans who voted against Adam rather than FOR Kris ... unlikely to be buying the winner's album.The bigots who voted against Adam rather than FOR Kris ... unlikely to be buying the winner's albumThe narrow-minded Christians who voted against Adam rather than FOR Kris... unlikely to be buying the winner's albumThe ardent Adam fans, upset that their Idol was robbed, will be buying Adam's CD in multiples, to prove a point Conclusion: Another anomaly?
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