trophywife

Couch, amazing rant! In the five years of being a Clay fan the man has never once caused me any grief. Never got angry or cried unhappy tears by any of his actions. I can't say the same for a few members of the fandom, especially this week. I don't understand their pain and I'm getting to the point, no I am at that point, where I just don't give a shit. cindilu2, ITA. "I don't want them to leave feeling that I lied to them, because I didn't." In my heart I hear at the end "mean to." And really, does it even matter? He's been through enough. Why can't they let him be happy? will be. ETA: keepingfaith, that's an interesting observation. Now I want to listen to ATDW again.

Thanks Couch Tomato! I hope we can come together as a fandom and rise above the homophobic label we have been unfairly given as a group. ITA it could have been much worse so to see the love and support at the begining, especially at the OFC, was encouraging. While all the clack of Spamalot and the various news/entertainment shows have been good, I'm so anxious to see Clay in front of a live television audience like at Jimmy Kimmel's show. I want the audience to go nuts and just show him the love. Speaking of talk shows, has Ellen mentioned Clay yet? I'm thinking no because I'm sure someone would have seen it or it would have mentioned somewhere on ET or Access. I love that last pic of Clay. He seems so carefree. Can't stop staring at little Parker on the People cover! I think this is the first time that I have not read the rest of the magazine beside's Clay article. It looks like Parker does have his daddy's long fingers. Wonder if he has Clay's toes. ETA: Sigh. Lurking at another board. Lying debate again. Maybe the new thread title should be Liar!Liar!PANTS! on fire! Clay maybe torching up puppies to some but seriously, what did poor Waldo do to us? ETA: Well Waldo hasn't come out yet so maybe I still have a chance. Though when asked DTTR or DTTL he just ignored the question. I love the Observer article. It's so good to see Clay written about in a positive light.

Oh yes he does - for me too. I think that's what's really making me angry when I read all the posts about 'The Lie'. Not the original one - but that he said he tried not ever to lie about it. There is a post on the Clayboard in nice color coded columns pointing out every time he 'lied' over the last five years. Good god - who could stand up to that kind of scrutiny??? And then to beat him up and vilify him for it? I'm sorry - it makes me want to vomit. What part of HE TRIED is hard to understand. Most of the examples they list were moments when he either had to lie, tell the interviewer to fuck off, or come out. The rest are things OTHER people said or wrote, but he didn't correct or stop them - all part of HIS lies that he has to apologize for. FFFFFFFFFFFFUCK. I want to hurt somebody. I think I read that same post at the OFC. If Clay lied from time to time? Big deal. I don't care if he did but I wonder if during college and the AI years Clay was attracted to men but never pursued it, therefore he never saw himself as a gay man but one who might be just confused. Enough time has passed where he has accepted himself for who he is (calling himself a gay man so matter of fact in his GMA interview was both surreal and a little hot) so now he refers to himself as a gay man but maybe during that time frame, in the moment, especially during the RS question, he truly felt he really wasn't. Sorry to ramble and I'm not trying to make excuses for him but I could see where he thought he wasn't being misleading. As for the other interviews I could see if Clay brought up the subject but he didn't. Faced with the questions and not out to his family what choice did he really have? Plus early on he always said he could go back to teaching if his pop career failed. Without establishing himself first I would think being an openly gay teacher in the south would have been a real obstacle towards getting work. Please, please correct me if I am wrong, I hate to stereotype but I would imagine a few parents would be very troubled by it. ETA: I just want to clarify that I don't think Clay owes anyone an explanation, nevermind an apology. I just don't get the anger or how one can not even try to walk in his shoes and come to the understanding that he dealt with this the best way he knew how. After seeing all the nit-picking I understand why Clay doesn't blog that often. Amen! That's why I don't get the anger with the whole lying business or actually the cruel way Clay was treated by the media and entertainment industry. Clay never paraded around beards (well there was one which I miss terribly. Clay with scruff, especially for a great cause? Hot!)or denounced homosexuality as a sin. He never mocked anyone struggling with the same issues to draw attention away from himself (really quick with the button there Seacrest!). If Clay had done these things I might be slightly miffed but would get over it quickly. He's too damn cute and I'm too easy. The real issue I'm struggling with? How did our pudgy papa bear so quickly turned back into a sleek fox? The pouchy tummy (which I adore and I don't have room to talk) was out loud and proud during the at home video and now his sweatpants are hanging off of him? Does he skip a few hot pockets and that's it? He's been barely bottle dancing for two weeks!

De-lurking to say I don't know if anyone caught the end of SNL but at the end Amy Poehler came out wearing a Clay Aiken shirt. She even pointed to his name while the credits were rolling. I thought I was done crying but I'm now tearing up all over again. Or Amy is having Clay's baby too. ETA: No nothing else was said. I expected them to make a joke during Weekend Update but they didn't do anything. So proud of Clay. Thank god for this board and a few others because the OFC has got me so down. I'm really sick of the lying debate.

I haven't been this shocked or excited since AI5. I have to get up early tomorrow but I can't break away.

waves back. . . the baby pictures are killing me! If we are lucky enough to see a pic of Clay holding his own child, my ovaries are going to be like rice crispies!

^^de-lurking to say now I have something in my eye. Awww. . . At first I was WTF!? and now. . . well it's exciting if it is true. I mean the next time he tours (which will probably be in a looong time) he'll be a daddy! Too cute. Every M&G will be probably be a baby shower. Before the thread got locked, I wanted to post a congrats over at OFC. I rarely de-lurk but after reading some of the replies, holy shit! I'm glad that some people get to experience family life in the traditional way but it doesn't work out like that for everyone. While I would love Clay to blog he does not owe the fans anything. I don't get the sense of entitlement at all. Obviously Jaymes and Clay did not come to that decision lightly. Wish them the very best.

newbie jumping in... really great discussion tonight I wonder if their friendship had been that close for a while. Really hard to tell but when was the last time Clay has mentioned Kim? Anytime he's asked about his Idol pals it's always about Kelly and Ruben. Did one day Kim call him up out of the blue to pitch this tour idea? Clay doesn't seem like a jerk to me. Yes, he should have called her back sooner but I don't think it was a case of him having a huge ego or being malicious. I think many of us have been in situations where we say "yes" to please someone but deep down regret it a little and try to figure out some way to back out gracefully. Maybe he really didn't know how to tell her that touring together would not be in his best interest and didn't want to hurt her feelings. Maybe he hoped his managers could get the message across or he felt he had more time to mull things over before he could give Kim a definitive answer. I don't know how I would have reacted if I was in his shoes. Mixing friendship with business can be so tough. And I have no Jello recipes to share. I can't even cook that. The situation is sad but well, "I will not" I found rather hot.

Hi! My name's Trophywife. Nothing to do with the lyrical stylings of Kelly Clarkson but just a joke between me and a friend. Clay had me at ''take" too. Even then I felt protective because when he first walked out my immediate reaction was, "oooh, poor baby, I hope Simon doesn't rip him to shreds!" He just seemed so vulnerable. Before Clay, Simon was my favorite. I liked Simon ripping into these delusional singers so I was a little surprised at my reaction. But then he spoke and I was "Hmm, he seems really confident. I bet he's gonna suck... "Take time to tell me. .. " . . . all of the money in my bank account." Well, I didn't think that at first, but my adoration was in full swoon. I've been lurking since TWoP's PRoC PANTS! days. I checked out CB, RHT, PRoC and posted at the CH. In the beginning it was fun but I never did feel that I belonged, plus the growing angst of the overall fandom, the OTT reactions (some being my own) was getting me down. Needed to take a break so I did. After a while I also posted at the CV but didn't feel that was a fit either. I still lurk at CH,CV and OFC. Sometimes CB. Also love to read the posts at Clayton's Place. I like to see all the different discussions. Look at all sides. Clay's engagement led me here and I have been enjoying this board. I still love our guy and I want to bring the joy back. Look forward to reading more. Thank you. ETA: I'm glad to put your mind at ease Couch Tomato. I didn't mind her during the IT tour though.