claytonic

Nick Vujicic - inclusion... at its best

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My favorite movie lines are usually from the early classics:

"Fasten your seat-belts, it's going to be a bumpy night" Bette Davis in All About Eve

"Is that a gun in your pocket or are you pleased to see me?" Mae West (but can't remember the movie)

"When I'm good, I'm very, very good, but when I'm bad I'm better!" Mae West in I'm No Angel

I am always in awe of people who take care of their elderly parents. I know a woman who does it voluntarily for many of the elderly who have no family to care for them. She is just amazing.

Muski, I remember the first time I read what you wrote about your mother, I was stunned at what you endured, but now, I see that she must have been a good mother to you, because when you talk about your DH or DDs, the love just shines through. (I remember what you said about emotionally absent father figures, and how when choosing your husband, you were also choosing a father for your children. Not enough women think that way.)

Gibby...

happy the BIG Five-OH!!!

I don't suppose anyone will be much interested in what I have to say this time and it may be the last novel I'll ever write [The Last Tycoon] but it must be done now because,

after fifty, one is different

. One can't remember emotionally, I think, except about childhood, but I have a few more things left to say.

SCOTT FITZGERALD, letter to his wife Zelda,

11 October 1940.

Whenever someone uses "site" instead of "cite" I immediately discount the whole thing. Can't help it.

It jumped off the page at me too but I gave her the benefit of the doubt because it happens to me as well.

See, I KNOW the difference between site and cite, principle and principal, that "i" comes before "e except after "c" (NEARLY always), etc etc but I type 90 wpm, I don't look at the keyboard OR at what I am typing and sometimes my brain gets my fingers to type the WRONG word or they suffer from keyboard dyslexia.

I remember helping a friend (mature age student) by typing her thesis and she pointed out a couple of "spelling mistakes". I told her they weren't spelling mistakes, they were TYPING mistakes. (They were clearly typing mistakes, I mean, when you see "msitake", that's a definite typo!! ) LOL

That happens....it doesn't mean my spelling is perfect but in most instances, it is a technical error. I could have easily made that mistake Mrs BMG made, but if I had proof-read it, I would have picked it up. I have no idea who she is, I have no reason to defend her except that I would hate to be judged on that kind of error.

I think, for those who have not been around from the beginning (i.e. 2003), some of us will come off as overly sensitive or defensive or skeptical at times, and maybe it will seem unwarranted. I don't think there's really any way to properly explain it except to say "I guess you had to be there". That's how many of us ended up here, at FCA....it was (and is) a safe haven. We've been around the block, and we've become a bit jaded with the fandom itself. Not with Clay! Huge distinction there. So whenever someone expresses their opinion as if it were fact, it sends up a red flag for me (and others).

You’re right, I wasn’t there so I don’t understand the level of sensitivity or defensiveness, for me it’s just something to ponder and put aside and wait for the real news from Clay. I honestly have no emotional angst, the only time I DID was when I found out about the JP fiasco long after it had blown over. I wanted to find the scumbag and slap his face because while I know that life isn’t fair, that level of deliberately inflicted injustice was beyond me. And poor me, I didn’t have anyone in the fandom to share my anger. At least you guys have always had each other.

No one, unless they were a part of that meeting with Clay and have a copy of the contract, would know ALL the facts. No one can possibly know exactly what will happen after 6 months.

IF there is an active 6 month non-compete ... who knows when the 6 months began running? Maybe it was in September. I can't see any advantage in either believing or not believing such information. Those who know don't tell, and those who tell don't know.

You know, too often.. those who know actually do tell, especially if they can do it anonymously like Mrs BMG... the entertainment business is a gossip haven, everyone wants to know what's happening because it is such an insecure profession. I am sure it wasn't a happy 'divorce' on the part of the label, it is common knowledge that business is hurting and those making decisions about spending money are ultimately accountable to investors/share holders.

I just have this feeling, where it comes from I dunno since I know less than anyone ... but there's a silver lining and Jayme's "the best is yet to come" is on its way. The fact that Clay is so much more than just a great singer makes him an extremely valuable commodity. I actually find the possibilities exciting, I've even been remembering how Neil Sedaka told Clay he would kill to write and produce for him.

What does "Pala" mean? Sorry if someone has explained it and I missed it.

ETA: AHHH thanks goldarngirl!

Oh, and the reason I mentioned Neil Sedaka is just that to me that would be such a dream... Sedaka's got the writing talent and a life-time of experience, Aiken's got the vocal talent and quite a bit of experience now too; they both like and respect each other. I have always been a huge NS fan... so.... just wishful thinking.....

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claytonic

, I understand you...but when it comes to Clay's career, it seems all bets are off. IMO there are some that worry endlessly about Clay's career, so when they hear any little tidbit, no matter who it is from, it becomes a basis for reality. So no, not EVERYONE has gotten on the clue train. Don't think it will ever happen either.

The way I see it is that just as Scarlett said, there will never be a moment in time EVER that no one is upset with Clay about something. And the same applies in terms of his career, there will be a minority group who considers it their job to angst about it, but it really has nothing to do with Clay, worrying about Clay's career is simply a symptom of their anxiety. It is only natural for fans of an artist to wonder and discuss his career, and the internet has created a phenomenon in terms of discussions between fans spread far and wide. I remember the first series of Australian Idol, I belonged to a discussion group that included professional singers, who didn't give their name but talked about the business and how the contestant we were supporting should approach her career, especially when the contestant made it to the Top 3 and then had to drop out due to her doctor's recommendation (nodules). Everyone expresses their passion in a different way, and there is nothing that those who take the "worry" route can do except to indulge in their concerns. They have no power to change anything one way or the other.

Clayzycoffin: You're a champ gurlllll! , I was horrified to discover that Australia is one of the few developed countries that continues to allow electronic waste to be dumped in landfill. I am trying to spread the word that computers harbor toxic chemicals that can leach out into groundwater and that there are options for electronic waste.

Well, it sounds like an informed opinion to me, and yes the "tied up and gagged" for 6 months is entirely appropriate as a parting/separation clause.

The problem with it is, it didn't come off as opinion, it came off as fact. When opinions start being touted as fact (and that's happened a LOT in this fandom), I usually run for the hills.

I've used 'opinion' because people tend to digest information and give it out as their opinion, their experience, their interpretation. No one, unless they were a part of that meeting with Clay and have a copy of the contract, would know ALL the facts. No one can possibly know exactly what will happen after 6 months.

The thing is, in the history of the Clay Nation, ideas that started out as "opinions" get repeated and repeated and repeated without question until they get accepted as "fact", even if they have no basis in reality. I think the reaction you're seeing here at FCA is due to many posters having lived through that kind of stuff in the past. Because of that, I'm wary of most fan-based pontificaters - maybe even to the point of being too skeptical at times.

I understand your point totally, but then shouldn't everyone by now know, EVEN if they THINK something sounds entirely valid, to not take it as gospel until Clay actually makes a statement? You see, with the whole gay thing, that was how I dealt with it despite people sending me YouTube clips of Clay that they considered were "gay". I told them that unless they had personal proof, it made no difference to me. And really, even after he came out, it made no difference about how I felt about him as a person and as an artist. So although I tend to believe what Mrs BMG said, it makes no difference to me because until Clay makes a statement about his plans, nothing matters at all. The only real hint is that we can expect nothing to happen for at least 6 months.

ETA: Michael Jackson for X Factor 2009? Gosh, according to this article, Simon considers Britney something special ... in XF 2008, Britney, Mariah and Beyonce were guest stars, and Britney was the only one who lip-synched on a show where everyone else sang live. I don't particularly like Beyonce but at least she delivered a great performance live. Mariah's voice wasn't quite right, but at least she sang. I don't get the Britney 'superstar' thing, her "appearance" drew the largest audience of all and Simon was thrilled to have her on the show.

EATA:

Hey, if Clay's gonna be on my TV, I'll be watching. I've never seen 30 Rock, but isn't it one of the shows that some fans have been wishing he'd guest on for a while?

Yup! It's very funny, smart comedy. My daughter and I started watching a few months ago and just love it. In TO they air two episodes back to back on Thursday nights (rerun followed by a new ep), so it's easy to keep up with the show.

They've had guest stars on that you wouldn't expect to see on TV (Elaine Stritch as Alec Baldwin's mother) and it's been hilarious. I can see Tina Fey writing a terrific role for Clay.

Oh please let this be true! I can't wait for Clay to do comedy on TV, he would be brilliant at it, I think he is way funnier than Kimmel.

Well, it sounds like an informed opinion to me, and yes the "tied up and gagged" for 6 months is entirely appropriate as a parting/separation clause.

The problem with it is, it didn't come off as opinion, it came off as fact. When opinions start being touted as fact (and that's happened a LOT in this fandom), I usually run for the hills.

ETA: I am not worried about Clay's career in any way or shape because, to me, one thing about Clay that stands out is his ability to use his head in terms of what's good and right for himself and those around him. The way he conducted himself during those months with AI and the tour and the setting up TBAF is what I am going by. I was very impressed with what has happened in the past in matters where he was in control. I am even impressed with his decision to have Parker and his timing for coming out. (The only time I was concerned was when OMWH was launched and there was no real marketing campaign and no tour to support the album. But there were reasons for why that happened that way).

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canfly

Ya ain't that tactful at

NNHB

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NNHB?

Since CF was here and so rudely ignored you (she has no manners), I'll answer your question. NNHB is hers and Sparky's board and it stands for Nearly No Holds Barred. She has the link in her posts cuz she keeps trying to capture people and make them post over there. That's how she got me. Bunch of heathens over there so be careful. They'll corrupt you. That's what happened to me.

HAHA she PM'd me the information! DUH I should have known since I actually joined it shortly after it first opened... just didn't make the connection.

I know I am late to the party again.

I've used "cute" and heard it used. I guess it depends on the guy,I have never found the "macho" guys attractive

Well, I wasn't born in Australia, so when I got that reaction from my BF and then my Aussie friend warned me guys hate being called cute, it was programmed in my brain. I didn't necessarily go for macho guys either, I simply didn't dare risk it again. That was in Perth though, but I didn't hear it much in Sydney either. I think it might have become more acceptable because of TV shows but I personally don't often hear it being used, or perhaps I did but was "switched off".

Well yes, it seems to have been in usage with a different meaning but not by me. My mother heard me say it in my early teens, nearly fell over, explained the meaning and

forbid

me to say it again.

I still can't bring myself to use it

:28:

........and that was ten years ago!............. :laught31: :laught31:

I had no idea there was another meaning to 'spunk', I've heard men AND women described as "spunky".

Were you allowed to use the term "bugger"? Because it was used as a "swear word", I decided to look up the meaning and had the same reaction as your Mum. So I never used it again even though I was told it is a well-worn Aussie slang and should not be taken literally when used in the same context as "oh sh*t".

I am with you all on the hugebucketofsaltBMGinsider. One thing that struck me though was about the 6 month "gag order". Does anyone else think that this might have a grain of truth? Maybe something like this written into the initial contract? Like when people sell a business and agree to not open up in competition in the area or within a certain time frame.

Well, it sounds like an informed opinion to me, and yes the "tied up and gagged" for 6 months is entirely appropriate as a parting/separation clause.

ANOOOOOOOOOOP!!!

YO DAWG, my homeboy!

My favorites are Adam and Anoop. I think Adam has a great voice and is a seasoned performer. Not sure about Anoop's voice but I just love his personality, his parents are fabulous. Anoop perfectly fits the description of tall, dark and handsome with a personality and intelligence to boot. The girls will go wild for him. But I was a little disappointed with his Michael Jackson song choice and performance.

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Someone made this comment on YouTube

Anoop said that he only tried out for American Idol because he knew that Latika, his true love, would be watching

I thought it was hilarious (of course you'd need to have read the book or seen the movie - Slumdog Millionaire.)

I think Clay is a brave and wonderful man. I am so proud of him.

Hear Hear (or is it Here Here?). Whichever...... I couldn't agree more!

There will never be a single nanosecond of time when not a single person on earth is upset with Clay. He can brush his teeth, blog or not blog, go to sleep, anything. Even if he either presents or receives the Nobel Peace Prize someday, someone will be upset -- perhaps some victim of dynamite-fishing or coral reef advocates who are upset at Nobel & his family. Are they worth the bandwidth and screen pixels we will use to say how ridiculous they are? No.

That is so very true of anyone with a public profile. I've heard/read comments that claim Hitler was an enlightened saint and that Mother Teresa was satan. (I wish I could ask Mother Teresa if she would have still done the same "life-work" if there was no Jesus and no heaven or hell. There are atheists who have done some incredible humanitarian work. )

Probably, the only thing everyone in the fandom (before Clay came out) still agrees on is that Clay can sing because surely no one suddenly thinks now that he's out, he no longer has a great voice!.

Thanks for that, Quiana has a fabulous voice but OMG, I was so worried his pants were gonna fall off

Having seen that performance live and in person, I'll admit that was a question in my mind at the time. Those jeans were ridin' mighty looooooowwwwwwwww by that point in the show.

Well, I kept imagining all those pairs of eyes in the audience focussed on his butt, and wondered if the standing ovation was in, fact, for his pants... for managing to NOT fall off!

Quite OT, but many thanks and a :thbighug-1: to whomever it was that suggested Google Chrome as a browser. I was having issues with IE and I just was not happy with Mozilla I think Chrome is going to be my default from now on.

lilyshine, I also had problems with Mozilla/Firefox on my laptop. A friend recommended Wyzo (www.wyzo.com) and I love it. More recently I installed Google Chrome and I like it too. I have both open at the same time, YouTube and Google Page Creator works better with Chrome, but I like the Wyzo set up, which is similar to Firefox, for other stuff. I never use IE unless it is to test a site that doesn't work in the other two. I don't trust IE at all.

Thanks for that, Quiana has a fabulous voice but OMG, I was so worried his pants were gonna fall off

Carolina Clay, I have been meaning to tell you that your blog and CANN are my two favorite stop-overs!!

Oh yeah, the famous "God forbid the Clack skips around" clack. How wonderful was that? He was never cuter.

And, as for the "cute" appellation for males -- some guys may not like being called "cute" -- but cute guys will always be called cute guys by females, and there's nothing they can do about it. Some guys are hunky and hot and NOT cute. But IMO Hot and Cute are IT!

I figured it was an accepted adjective in the US to describe a good looking guy. I just rarely hear it used here in relation to guys but I am sure it happens because if it's heard on American TV programs that are shown here it will be copied by someone. I don't watch enough TV to have heard it being used, at least not in recent memory. I just remember the reaction I got but that was long ago, and I've just never used it again unless I am talking about animal or human babies! Every time I see it used here, which is quite often... I always remember back to that day. It's no big deal, I just can't shake the memory of it though. When I see a hot pic of Clay, my reaction is "what a spunk!"

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Ya ain't that tactful at

NNHB

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NNHB?

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FromClaygary,

how did the dyeing class go? Did you use acid dyes or Procion or both? Hope you had a great time!

We did have a good time! It was the rug-hooking guild, so we used acid dyes to dye wool. My right arm may never be the same again

as we were dip-dyeing but I got some really cool "swatches" to use for my rug class.

I kind of had to laugh~I know you've probably done both~the teacher was firmly in the car that cotton is SO much harder to dye....but from what I saw last night, it's really just that the chemicals are different, any maybe more accessible, for wool. She used Jet Dry (as a wetting agent) and citric acid, but of course you could also use vinegar as the acid.

I'll have to get back to it. I haven't tried dyeing anything since I've been here, and the water is so different I'm sure my colors will be completely different!

Nice people at the guild! They were very welcoming.

Crap, I'll have to get a picture of the rug they are raffling; some of you may be interested. It is the COOLEST "cattitude" rug I've ever seen. 100% wool of course, hand-hooked, about 3 ft x 4 ft, in lots of different colors, so it would go with any decor.

So, this means you're The Happy Hooker?

(Sorry, couldn't resist .... I read that book way back in the day when it was a naughty book and I didn't want to be the only one who didn't know what it was about. I don't remember anything about it.)

Another favorite is the NAT in Vermont when Felix called it a city and Clay could not for the life of him keep a straight face for WDC. Side-busters!!!

that was hilarious and one of my favorite concert moments too. That was a really weird audience to be a part of IMO and that whole thing seemed to be the great thaw. I think it all depended on where you sat though... on our side of the aisle the ushers worked very hard to keep us in our seats and sitting down.

The stories could then be compiled as an e-book, with links to YT clips. Or perhaps even have some hard-copies done, accompanied by DVDs of the clips mentioned. It would one day make a great gift for Parker, perhaps on his 20th birthday, which is the year Clay turns 50. Or (barring copyright breaches) it could become a fund-raising collector's item for BAF. Also, an e-book of press clippings. I can see it being a prized possession for new Clay fans. Like Clayzycoffin, I am still stumbling across stuff I didn't know about or am seeing for the first time. There is just so much of it and my biggest problem is trying to figure out when or where something happened and what it was all about. Watching the concert clips can be very frustrating when you don't understand some background information to something that happened and the audience is laughing and i have no idea what they are laughing about.

I know it would be time-consuming but if there is no deadline, it doesn't matter. Also, when you guys discuss these details, it is an opportunity for everyone - founding members and new members, to re-live or simply newly experience the moments that Clay himself may have forgotten.

I don't blame priests, nuns, ministers or whatever for this orchestrated effort to convince people that it is not normal for two men or two women to fall in love with each other and to cement the relationship with marriage. It is a group effort to control the mores of the citizens of this country. Once this is achieved, I'm sure it will continue around the world.

So although I might not be directly affected by these changes, I don't really want anyone telling me what to believe. What's next?

Religion is all about telling people what to believe^{(refer Ethel Kennedy)} and what they must do, that is why I am not crazy about organized religion. I'm all for spirituality though and some people ARE spiritual within a religious order and not only that, they also think for themselves and feel secure and comfortable about it without a need to ram it down others, e.g. Clay. However, I know too many people who go to church as if it were a ritual within social club. I know people who go to choir practice every week and sing in the church choir for special services and I know they do this because they love to sing, it's their social outlet. I am not saying everyone who goes to church does so for non-spiritual reason but I know too many who do.

Ethel Kennedy had 11 children, and I am old enough to remember Vatican II and Ethel not using contraception because the Vatican said NO to the pill; Ethel herself said "until my church tells me ....". That's all very well for the Kennedys who could afford to raise 11 children.

I feel that changing attitudes start in the home and then spills out into the community. Some things take longer... but if they are for the common good, I believe they will eventually happen. It doesn't seem that long ago that women were paid considerably less than men for doing the same job. The biggest difference, I feel, is that today's woman stays with a man because she wants to, and not because she has to. I feel as you do, Fear, I don't like being told what I HAVE to believe because I won't be brain-washed. However, I am open to new concepts and philosophies because to coin a cliche, the more I know the more I realize that I know very little.

djs111 I agree...

But the physical abuse in terms of extreme corporal punishment was also shocking, particularly in orphanages where those kids had no one else to go to.

Sadly, I have come to the conclusion that many, VERY many people who joined the clergy were running away from life for any number of reasons. I do know some who were nuns/priests etc for the right reasons. About 15 years ago, I called a number in the phone book to speak to someone about something in the Bible I wanted to quote to two JWs who had come knocking at my door... and I ended up talking to an elderly nun who told me that she has had to turn a deaf ear and blind eye to the power struggle in the Church. She said she wasn't interested in all that, she just wanted to do the Lord's work and it's the only life she knows. I really respected her stark honestly. Sorry to go OT but what you said brought back memories.

Those look just like the ear thingies he wears on stage so he may have to wear the cord like that.

I think he looks just so ......Oh I don't know maybe........cute. Yeah that's it!

He is just CUTE!

Do guys in England mind being called cute? Just trying to remember ....

When I was about 19, I told my BF he was cute and the angry glare I got cured me for life. I told a girl friend about it and she almost yelled "OH NO, they HATE that"... I have never again dared to describe a guy as cute, and I can't even do it on this board although it's almost compulsory to do so when talking about our man....! (Wait, maybe I have once... and I felt strange doing it....) Over here in Oz, cute is what you'd call a puppy or a baby or small child, but NEVER EVER a man. Aussie guys like to have a macho image ...

ETA: annabear, you posted while I was typing this post!!!

Well, look what happened to a priest here who dared to go against the "rules".

'Rebel' priest sacked in mass row

February 08, 2009 03:12pm

A BRISBANE Catholic priest has been sacked following a long-running dispute with the Vatican over his controversial practices.

Father Peter Kennedy, from St Mary's Parish in South Brisbane, was notified of his termination by Archbishop of Brisbane John Bathersby in a letter dated Friday.

It followed an ultimatum to the church last August in which the archbishop called the 700-strong parish "an authority to itself" and threatened to close it.

At the church, unorthodox masses are conducted, women can preach and homosexual couples are blessed.

In this week's letter, Archbishop Bathersby said it gave him no pleasure to terminate Father Kennedy's appointment from February 21. But he said there was no reason for further discussion of the decision.

"I have repeatedly asked for changes but you and community have not budged an inch," he wrote.

"... Time and time again St Mary's has chosen to go its own way."

The archbishop said he realised he could not stop the parish forming a breakaway Christian community elsewhere in Brisbane, but it would not be in communion with the Roman Catholic Church.

Related Coverage

* Unholy family disputeThe Australian, 25 Feb 2009

* Church calls on ex-judgeCourier Mail, 24 Feb 2009

* Priest to fight sacking in courtThe Australian, 23 Feb 2009

* Priest's support rattles churchCourier Mail, 23 Feb 2009

* Bomb threat against ArchbishopCourier Mail, 22 Feb 2009

Father Kennedy has appealed to the archbishop to change his decision. But he said on ABC radio he was also considering other options.

"I've been here 28 years and I know this community is solidly behind me, and so we could go elsewhere," he said.

Parishioner Karyn Walsh said the community was deeply upset by the decision and was behind Father Kennedy's plea.

Ms Walsh said the parish's gay and lesbian community in particular felt discriminated against by the archbishop's decision.

She said the parish did not consider the liturgical reasons given for Father Kennedy's termination were good ones.

"They are really no reason to take away such a strong sense of community that exists at St Mary's," she said. "There's certainly a strong feeling that people don't want to go anywhere."

The archbishop has been sought for comment while a spokesman for Father Kennedy said he was making no further statements.

Source

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,27574,25024481-29277,00.html

<snip> "Statistically this week 4,392 priests and deacons of the United States were subject to allegations of child molestation - that's between 1950 and 2002," he said.

"Two per cent of those were actually put behind bars.

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Peter [Kennedy] would be in better books with the Catholic church if he'd molested a child than what we're doing here

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Source:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/02/08/2485449.htm

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In the picture below there are more than 100 known world personalities... look carefully ...

If you can recognize at least 25 of them, then consider yourself a fairly well cultured individual.

EYATA:

If you like Pavarotti, you'll love this... no he's not singing, he's just being adorably funny!

QUESTION: What's worse than people using acronyms that you can't figure out?

ANSWER: When they use an acronym but make a typo...

Just received the

WORLD'S EASIEST QUIZ by email.

(Passing requires 4 correct answers)

See how you go...

1) How long did the Hundred Years' War last?

2) Which country makes Panama hats?

3) From which animal do we get cat gut?

4) In which month do Russians celebrate the October Revolution?

5) What is a camel's hair brush made of?

6) The Canary Islands in the Pacific are named after what animal?

7) What was King George VI's first name?

8) What colour is a purple finch?

9) Where are Chinese gooseberries from?

10) What is the colour of the black box in a commercial airplane?

Remember, you need 4 correct answers to pass.

ANSWERS TO THE QUIZ

1) How long did the Hundred Years War last?

116 years

2) Which country makes Panama hats?

Ecuador

3) >From which animal do we get catgut?

Sheep and Horses

4) In which month do Russians celebrate the October Revolution?

November

5) What is a camel's hair brush made of?

Squirrel fur

6) The Canary Islands in the Pacific are named after what animal?

Dogs

7) What was King George VI's first name?

Albert

8) What colour is a purple finch?

Crimson

9) Where are Chinese gooseberries from?

New Zealand

10) What is the colour of the black box in a commercial airplane?

Orange (of course)

Did you pass?

Claytonic I've thought about doing the audiobook thing. Is it distracting while driving though? The only audiobook I have is Learning to Sing.

It's a funny thing, some people love them, others hate them. They are great company if you are driving a long distance on your own. Otherwise, the other person/s in the car are gonna be talking to you.. and that doesn't work!

Audio books CAN be a bit tricky because the storyline tends to get lost if you are distracted in any way.

Generally, what tends to work really well is lectures/ presentations, by the author. For example, periodically, I listen to Wayne Dyer, Deepak Chopra, Carolyn Myss, Edgar Cayce, etc. I'd go through various stages of exploring new-age philosophy. Also love listening to the wit and wisdom of the Dalai Lama, love his giggle!. If I am distracted, it doesn't really matter because I listen to them more than once as very often, something is said that I want to hear again, or take notes.

I no longer buy audio books because it is so easy to borrow CDs from the library. What I do is to immediately rip them to my harddrive, then return the CDs to the library. That way, they are quickly available for someone else but the BIG PLUS is they are no longer cluttering up my space and there is no chance of the CDs getting lost.. I then transfer the files to my ipod to listen. The last audio story book I tried to listen to was Wild Swans, but it was soooo long that I never finished it, then lost interest. One of the things I like about audio books is that my eyes can get really tired from the computer screen so it is a way to give my eyes a break. I have to admit I have deleted many audio books from my HD because I lost interest due to distractions. But the shorter books are a good idea because you actually do get to listen to the whole thing, then of course I tell myself damn, that was too short!

I bought both versions of the audio LTS. Listened to the Clay voice many times.