jazzgirl

Whenever people talk about if he might enjoy the comments of "endowment", I always think of the look he exchanged with Kimmel when the fan was listing the things she knew about Clay and mentioned his shoe size. Good work from the camera man.

Ewwww Ick! I thought that was horrible. To this day I can't watch that without cringing. I thought Clay looked uncomfortable. I understand some people thought it was cute, but it was awkward to me.

Well, to add to the earlier discussion of memorable Clay double entendres, Clay did say during this recent tour, "ladies, size matters", although I can't remember which city it was and what the context was. To me, that's another piece of possible evidence in the "he so knows" column, although I can see where this could just be normal bawdiness, and catering to a more adult audience. Does anyone know the city and the context?

I have mixed feelings about the Kimmel exchange on the shoe size matter. I was somewhat "icked" by the observation, but given that it was made, his, IMO, "knowing" look with Kimmel was very interesting.

Waldo?? You think Clay had never heard of THE LEGEND OF WALDO?

Except... The question of whether Clay knows Waldo. Now, If he knows about the fold - well.... it is rather hard to believe he does not know about the rest. I know he was very busy and did not read message boards, but his friends read and posted. They knew about Pants! and supposedly told him, no?

Ah, that assumes he knows about the fold. Are you are talking about the Pala WISYS with Flat Clay? My take is I'm not quite clear about what he utters sotto voce (was that ever a "word of the day"?) and what its intended meaning was. It's certainly an intriguing indication that he may know or, as someone noted upthread, maybe he is truly clueless about Waldo, or is just a darn good actor.

I have a question about the ATDW CD signing the afternoon before the Kimmel taping last fall. Does anyone have any info (or an opinion for that matter) as to whether the clack of Clay summoning security because of the presumed interloper with the "Aiken for Clay" sign (as it turned out, Jimmy) was staged or filmed as it actually happened. It is hard for me to tell whether Clay is feigning wariness or if it's a joke Jimmy pulled off. IMO, Clay's a pretty good actor. I thought he did a very good job of pretending not to know what Jimmy was talking about until he pulled out the mic during the Valentine's Day candy song.

I can honestly say I can never remember having looked at certain parts of men's anatomy before I became a Clay Aiken fan....wait I think it all started when I began reading Muski's posts!!!!

(Well other than Rudolph Nureyev and Barishnikov but those were unavoidable!)

I did stare at my Ken doll at lot. I couldn't quite figure out the torso demarcations.

BTW, we talked about sad songs recently. But when I'm really, really, sad or stressed or worried, listening to Clay is the best thing in the whole world.

Couldn't agree more! The visual pleasure of clack is even better than the aural.

As for the Vegas hotel room, life is for the living and your decision is totally understandable. Sometimes you have to do whatever it takes to get through an experience. :F_05BL17blowkiss:

I usually don't know what half of those initials means. I always have to ask.

I do believe CMSU=crack my shit up.

a l.o.n.g time ago (during the idol tour I think) a reporter, commenting on a photo of Clay in his cut offs, wrote that Clay had lily white knees. I posted something about his lily white ass as well and then started using LMLWAO. I remember getting a bunch of PMs asking me what that meant...LOL

Thank you for explaining what CMSU means. Left to my own devices, and considering the context, all I could come up with was "crotch material stretched unilaterally".

As for continuing the double entendre conversation, I thought he did rather well with "scordatura" when someone in the audience mentioned if he was scoring on this tour. The "sadly, I'm not" comment was priceless. He really does have a comedic gift, so I could quite willingly contemplate the TV show aspirations even though it seems such a waste of his main gift, his voice.

I do wonder whether Clay will be brave enough to do other audience participation segments in the future such as "word of the day" and "stump the band"; the latter, in particular, showed how willing he was to fly without a net and WAMLAW is one of my most favorite pieces of clack ever.

"two pounds of flesh"

(I think this was jazzgirl who said this?)

Two pounds, huh?

Hmmm.....funny, I've never really thought about how much it WEIGHS..

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Muski, you are baddddd.

Someone else noticed?

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Muski, so many of your posts CMSU. Do you immediately look at the crotch area in every pic you see? What about in real life, with men you meet? Because that's obviously where you looked when you saw the chocolate Han pic. And then, you found a DTTL pic of Clay to match the Han pic. You're too much, girl!!!

I do know what DTTL and DTTR means, but what does CMSU mean? Have pity on a newbie.

Hee. I have two words for you....Cuddle Duds.

Cuddle Duds rock, so do layers!

It was about "objectifying" Clay, made in jest, of course. Lord knows I do it all the time, but sometimes it really bugs me in myself. Typically it's after I've had some sort of close contact with the man - definitely after my M&G a couple of years ago, but even at the bus line this summer. In LA, we were lined up at a curb and near me, "up line", was a parked car. Clay went around the car to connect with the line and again, and as he was coming around he sighed deep and heavy, then he went back into "public" mode again. Seeing that made me appreciate - even more - the effort that goes into "walking the line". Recently I've thought about what it must feel like to be watched in binoculars. Last tour I was into eyelashes, this summer tour, freckles, and always, those hands (!). I do my fair share of . I'm not criticizing. Today I'm just feeling a bit like I have an angel (guess I need that smilie after all) on one shoulder and the devil (my usual) on the other.

I'm really okay with all the ogling, objectifying and general enjoyment of Clay's many and marvelous physical attributes when he's in "public" mode; in my mind that's what fuels some of his celebrity. But my angel side really does admire his character. In many ways he's a role model for me - very human, perfectly imperfect. As my DH has said, "He's just a good guy."

Was that all just rumination??

I like this observation about how well Clay handles his public "mode". I admire the fearlessness that goes into bantering with his audience and how he handles the occasional wandering into some double entendres. I got a kick of how well he used the zipper banter at Verona last year during the Xmas tour. He turned what could have been a very embarrassing episode of being told his zipper was unzipped into a very funny one of telling the woman's husband to be careful because his wife liked him before launching into "Chestnuts Roasting on an Open Fire".

I do think he wandered into "be proud of your instrument" also, but he could appreciate the moment. The one time I have seen him ignore the audience was when he said Angela was going to "give it to him later" at Sterling Heights this year, but he was very purposeful in letting the audience know he was going to ignore any ulterior meanings. He really does have very good comedic timing skills that are wonderful to watch.

Can anyone else come up with some memorable Clay double entendres?

Y'ALL NEED TO EAT A VEGETABLE OR SOMETHING! HAVE MERCY!

Hey, I just got back from the local farmers' market, so I figure I can be a little smug and sanctimonious... :26:

Frozen custard stands are wonderful, too!

Second, most of you would probably not have wanted to be me today, from the unpleasant cleaning chores to the psychological hoops of parenting a parent, to the 2 1/2 hour, 30 mile drive home in the rain and flooding roads and the bumper-to-bumper traffic. However, my mom took a bath today, so it's a good day.

Days Mom gets a bath are good days for me too. I can relate.

Define the for Clay part. What are the parameters here? How much of Clay do I get? And for how long? Oh heck. Like that matters.

Yes.

Very good point! Sounds like a "two pounds of flesh" argument. I like the way you think. Maybe we could market chocolate Clays, like the chocolate Hans Solo upthread. Forget pins, this is much better! Small copyright issues, but whatever!

I feel oddly like I typed www.fin.... in my browser and landed on the Death by Chocolate website, but that's ok, carry on.

Considering Clay's allergy, this might be the right website! Maybe the next topic could be would you give up chocolate for Clay? I would have to ruminate on that......

Hershey's dark chocolate doesn't do it for me any more. I've reached the point that I need the harder stuff. So I have graduated to Hershey's Cacao Reserve. Thanks for the suggestions! I didn't know that Paul Newman made a chocolate or Sam's Club.

"Snowballs in the Hardland". Sounds like a worthy sequel to a "Soft Rock in a Hard Place". Clay does seem to like double entendres, at least, he makes a pause to acknowledge that maybe he walked into one.

I'm movin' on , too...cuz as I sit here, my eyes crossing over a spreadsheet the size of Texas and my head still aching and ....

All Is Well just 'happened' on my shuffle of iTunes songs....and tears are running down my face, damn it...my nose is already all stuffed up and my sinuses already sore and my eyes already red and....

I'm going to play that song again....

Later, all... :F_05BL17blowkiss:

"All is Well" has been in my car CD deck since it came out. I find it incredibly soothing. I don't care if it's 95 degrees in the shade.

Newbie here as this is, I believe, my fourth post. Before I signed up for this board, I sped read through about the past 100 pages or so. What I did like was that I didn't agree with everything and some things I didn't agree with I had never thought of from the poster's perspective. I like having my thinking challenged. I compare this feeling to taking a course in college where you already know the subject matter and you keep thinking, what am I doing here because I'm not learning anything. I haven't found anything here offensive or mean-spirited, just thought-provoking (and sometimes, the thought provoked is that someone needs to vent). I consider posts to be much like the old analogy of buses, men, or Clay's hair (insert whichever one fits) that if you don't like one, you may like the next one that comes along.

I often been intrigued by Clay's fanbase and why they are who they are. For instance, the responders in the recent concert survey at the OFC, were very interesting. My estimate is that Clay's fanbase is probably about two-thirds over the age of 40 and about 95% female. Why is this? And why are his fans so protective of him? Is it because they are older and female and are used to being big sisters, mommies, aunts, etc.? Why aren't many willing to let him fight his own battles? Not many seem to be paying attention to one of Clay's more recent blogs where the message was just because they say it's true, doesn't make it so and to let "them" call him what they want, he can take it. I tend to view that as a gentle nudge from a boss who's a hands-off manager.

I'm still in the fandom because Clay is one of the few great voices I've heard in a long, long time. My formative years were the 60s and early 70s when it was the normal course that someone who sang had a good voice. What on earth happened? I listened to Kanye on some late night show last night and he's just not my thing, so when Clay appeared on the scene, he was someone I wanted to support because, finally, there was someone I enjoyed hearing (and as it has turned out, I enjoy hearing him independent of whatever genre he is singing).

If no one is interested in talking about this, can anyone recommend some "good, dark, chocolate"?

But, how does that compare with guarding Clay's body?

Nothing does. We members of the FCA Super Sekrit Security Services must remember to keep our eyes on the prize at all times. It's our sacred duty and honor. Welcome.

I'm enjoying the humor and good-natured irreverence here. This is the second chuckle I've gotten today. The other one was the post about just wanting to pay bills and postho!

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BUT - maybe Clay should have called her before HE responded!! He must have known she had been trying to get in touch with him. Wouldn't you think he could have taken 5 minutes out of his "busy" schedule to call her and say "What the hell is going on Kim?". Then maybe he wouldn't have sounded like such a hard ass in his response.

No one else remembers the Rolling Stone quote of:

There's nothing so wrong that it can't be easily fixed or easily ignored. I just let things roll off.

I also agree that Clay may not be 100% blameless, but I do leave the major brunt of this "unfortunate event" on Kim's lap for literally announcing the wedding when she hadn't heard from the guy for months. I do sympathize with the view that she may have wanted this badly and from what I have observed of her, she is a hard-working girl and has aggressively worked on keeping her name out there, even if it meant taking some strange gigs like the Celebrity Fit Club. As for Kim mouthing off, she did do that with Simon, didn't she, on national TV, no less! I don't think mouthing out there helped her image either.

As for Clay not getting in touch with Kim before his second blog, he virtually had the Huns storming at his gate in terms of rather strongly worded responses to his blog, the likes of which he had never before seen. I think he made a conscious decision of putting his fans before his friendship with Kim. I think, in this case, given these circumstances, it was the right choice. Rome was burning and he couldn't afford to fiddle.

I can think of one time where Clay did put a friend above his fans and that was with Gregory Ellis and his illness. I think what he did in protecting Gregory's medical issue and his privacy was the right thing there too.

Sometimes people just hear what they want to hear and misunderstand.

And people believe what they want to believe even if you have stated many times the opposite of what they believe (Clay's promo appearances for ATDW on GMA and Larry King come to mind).

Thanks for all the welcomes! It's only my second day here. I like posting fools (gentle snark on Jesse Vargas calling Clay a "singing fool"). Really, there is a lot of action here!

Hi! This is my first post. I "know" many of you from other boards where I post or lurk, so I don't feel like much of a newbie, which likely explains this post. I still have unresolved thoughts about the past few days and I think some people here may be game for ruminating on my ruminations, so here goes:

1. Why was the idea of a Reunited tour the proverbial "straw that broke the camel's back" for so many fans? Was it because some were no longer proud or honored to be a fan of such a "winner"? It may just be my personal quirk, but I have often been unsettled by a cascade of posts that say "we sure backed a winner" or variations of the same, whenever Clay does something generally seen as admirable, just because I can't relate to making that statement; I mean it's nice to back a winner, but it's never been a seemingly non-negotiable condition of my being a fan. Do some people need to back a "winner" and the idea of a "Reunited" tour caused an earthquake-like jolt that Clay was no longer a "winner" and they needed to withdraw their support? Do people derive self-esteem and validation from supporting someone they can put on a pedestal, but they can't let them off a pedestal because it shows the folly of their choices and, thereby, damages their self-image? Why were so many strong feelings simmering below the surface that caused this non-announcement to be a breaking point? Was it leftover frustration from ATDW and its generally perceived non-kick-ass status? And why do many think it is important for Clay to have a kick-ass CD? What's wrong with a non-kick-ass CD that's a nice niche product and maybe earns gold status again? And does a universal definition of "kick-ass" exist? Is it Kanye's or David Foster's? Is the concept of a "kick-ass" CD going to be the same let-down that the ATDW "shock and awe" that never materialized was for some in the fandom, if a certain definition of "kick-ass" isn't met?

2. I have a different take on Clay's second blog than has been voiced by many. I don't subscribe to the "serendipity" theory of the first blog although it could be true. My read is that Clay may have been somewhat aware of the situation and was hoping he could just ignore it as he has ignored many matters in the past. The reaction to the first blog, however, was so strong that he felt mandated (interesting word) to add his "By the way..." addendum. It really doesn't matter if he knew or didn't know, but it seems to me that to some, the supposition that he didn't know of the fan angst before the first blog, is very important, because they can't imagine him knowing and not addressing their angst. He may not have known, but an alternative view is that he knew and was hoping to distract, as distraction (i.e. Britney!, Lindsay!, Paris!) often works in current pop culture; perhaps Clay quickly saw that distraction blogging didn't work and gave an angry audience the mandate they wanted.

I don't have a lot of answers, just a lot of leading questions that may reveal my answers. I do hope that Clay maintains his current level of success because it means I can see him in concert as well as several times a year on my TV. Mucho goodo!

ETA: While I was writing this, I see Ansamcw had the same thought:

I think the root of all this is for the need of some fans to be vindicated for their support of clay. They need him to be successful so that they can say to others...see I was right to back him. They are more invested in his success than he is because they can't be backing a loser. So whenever Clay does not follow the proven path to instant stardom...they freak out.

So another question: What's wrong with backing a loser or is all this turmoil still vindication of AI2 anomaly night? Does that remain a sore point for many of us if we still have a visceral reaction if Clay isn't the best? And, if so, why? Is all the angst still a carryover from that night, like a repressed memory?