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Clay really does spoil me with his covers. I sometimes have a hard time listening to the originals again. Weird. I used to think that I usually preferred original versions over covers, but then I found out that some of the songs I thought were originals were actually covers. Like "Without You" by Harry Nilsson. Or how about "Proud Mary" by Tina Turner? I didn't even realize that "Respect" by Aretha Franklin was a cover of an Otis Redding song. I'm planning on putting together a show on my radio station playing back to back original (or first well known version) of songs with subsequent cover versions. Can be interesting to compare.

I'm looking forward to this show--please do let us know when you're planning to broadcast.

Tour!!!!!!!!!!!!1 :club0:

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AWWWWW, the toofies are so pretty there......moment of silence in memoriam.

BWAHs all around. Y'all are funny today!!

And since the article says this particular device isn't good for eating while wearing, poor Claybe would HAVE to pass this option up...The man NEEDS to eat!

The stalwart FCA reps will be sure to surround his table at the Gala with our cameras to obtain evidence for ya YSRN. Perhaps we'll spot the chiclets while he's eating.

You all know I feel that Clay's socks are none of the fan's business.

Moving on, some pretties from the CB:

ETAA: Another example of how Clay fans are just like everybody else... so Kate Walsh got her own spin off from Grey's Anatomy. Instead of being a supporting character everageing 5 scnes a week she will now be the star of the new series. It's a big risk, yes because GA is a giant hit and spin-offs are hit or miss. But the conspiracy theories I'm reading are mind boggling. I mean would a network really give someone their own show just to get them off one series when all they have to do is send the character back to NY? And why would I as a fan sign a petition to scrap her new series and keep her on GA getting her five scenes a week especially when they've said if the show isn't picked up she'll be back on GA. And why would the creator of Grey's Anatomy purpously write a bad pilot just to get rid of her when she has put her name to the project. Shonda = Clive . ABC=RCA. It's all the same.

OMG, that is bizarre. So they don't want her to have a career break because they know it is secretly intended to destroy her.

I wrote a long post at the OFC, and I guess it boils down to one thing. Speculation turns into fact without a reality check or any kind of testing of the speculation. Lots of you have already said it, "We just don't know." IMO, we don't need to know. It isn't our job as fans to know. It's our job to enjoy and be entertained. Things are not bad for Clay now--not at all. Haven't been bad IMO since last summer, if ever, and never as awful album-wise as has been portrayed by some.

I think if I had a new young 'un that I was trying to indoctrinate - er, educate - about Clay, I would send them over to The Ideal Idol. There are lots of great graphics, videos, news, and positive writings that Jan brings over from other places.

Ideal Idol gets a lot of traffic, and it's a great site. I get a lot of referrals on my blog from there, and often from the overseas fans. Clay's Daily Double is another great site, which is created by a young woman (or guy?) from the CB. It's more of an on-line magazine really, collecting from many sources and with an attractive presentation. Very well done. No chat or boards there either.

Messages boards are a whole 'nother topic. They can be fun and informative and a way to build a community of posters with similar interests, but I don't know that they necessarily build a fanbase. I buy CDs from plenty of artists that I would never go online to read about. Is my purchase any less meaningful than that of a fan that spends hours online at a message board? Is a fanbase defined by its online members, and more specifically by its vocal online members, which really are a pretty small subset of the whole group? I hope not...

Amen!

dreamlarge, a belated happy birthday. :F_05BL17blowkiss: You really nailed it here:

I do see what you mean in a broader sense, though.... that no matter how one behaves as a fan, there is likely to be somebody who disapproves.

I make montages. That probably squicks some people out. Cookie drives her Claymobile. Personally I find that appalling. Heh. But as I said on CH, she’s not hurting anyone. Cookie is a fan. She wanted to meet Clay. She did what she had to do to get what she wanted.

It’s not Cookie’s responsibility to manage how the public perceives Clay’s fan base. It’s not the fans’ job to manage Clay’s image and career. If Clay wants kids and PYTs in the front row at his concerts, he can hire professionals to manage his image and career in a way to get that result. That leads me to believe there is a reason that hasn't happened.

Not much to add, just a lot of WORD!!

BWAH!!! djs111, very funny!!

ldyjocelyn, you're right. I'll endeavor not to let things get to me next time, so I can eeeee and squeeee along with you!!

One of the CV'ers knows Cookie, and posted that Cookie doesn't read any of the boards at all. Not that the vitrol that got directed her way was acceptable (or surprising, frankly), but at least I don't think she'll see it.

She may not read any of the boards, but she has 10 posts at the OFC, and it turns out, I found out last night, that she posted in "Breaking News" a couple of days ago that she was going to be on the show. Since it's the OFC, I'll just give the jist. She said she drives the car to concerts hoping that Clay will notice it, and now she will finally get to meet him. That she hopes to "make the ClayNation proud" and hopes everyone will be cheering for her [/hopelessly naive]. You can read her post in this thread now in the Rest Home (no surprise):

Cookie and the Claymobile live on The Morning Show with Mike & Juliet.

The usual suspects were arguing the same points in that thread (although Cookie never posted again), and rather more politely than they did after the fact yesterday at the CH. She might as well have waved a red bandanna in front of some faces by starting that thread, in Breaking News no less, and the argument had already been underway for quite awhile, hence the lack of patience on the part of some, perhaps. It doesn't excuse the nastiness of some of the comments yesterday, or the blindness to famewhoring when it's "our" famewhoring, but it does shed a bit of a different light on the situation for me anyway.

I hope she doesn't read most of the boards. Sheesh!! It's one thing to object; it's another to be haughty and cruel.

I didn't learn to drive an automatic til I was thirty.

I always feel so sorry for Clay when he looks out at the audience of women old enough to be his mother!

Eeeep!!

Maybe we want to start planning how we'll grab those first row seats and go to the nearest high school to give them away. Let's plan it ok. You go first. heee.

Good one!

For what its worth....

From the CB via the CH:

Someone asked ... when will you be touring..

HE SAID..........WE ARE GOING TO DO SOMETHING THIS SUMMER!!!!

But, but, but - doesn't that seem to indicate he will be touring with songs from ATDW? You know, the album he is done with??

Should be lots of good tickets available for the FCA gals, given that so many others hate the album.

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Sign me up for the new FCA media team!!!!

EEEEEEEE thats great...we may need people to keep up with radio news or latest on BAF etc...

I'm really interested in media still as well.

Sign me up for the new FCA media team!!!!

Just FYI, ICNAFM is not listed on the American Idol site as one of the songs that Elliott sang. Elliott Yamin

I wouldn't go. I'd rather stay home and watch on TV if I couldn't get into the studio, or have a direct view. I loved my view of September's GMA through the window, but why go to NY to sit in another room? I suppose he might step in for a minute and wave at ya. Or not. Anyway, you should be in tip-top shape for the doggies.

<snipping, but this is all good stuff too>

I have to add, that if you felt preached at, you felt preached at, and there is no reason at all you should have to listen to it - Lord know if I'm preached at, I don't...and it's how the preachee feels, not the preacher. But the preachee is entitled to leave as opposed to making the preacher stop...

Leaving is just what I did in Raleigh--I took a perfectly timed and planned break in order to miss that song, and it felt really empowering. In Atlantic City after that I was on the front row (not conducive to sneaking away for one song) and I had a staredown with him as he descended after the song. Actually I think a lot was communicated between us at that moment, and I tend to agree with you KAndre as to where he was coming from. I think he was surprised that the reaction some of us had was so vehement, and didn't understand it, but I also think he regretted that YWT had hurt some people.

That whole YWT debate was a fantastic experience for me. I learned so much from others (some of y'all) and was able to heal some deep and long-standing wounds during that time. Today I'm able to enjoy his Christian music much more as a result, but that song will always be the one I have the most trouble with. For me it's the lyrics and the theological standpoint that made that song different. As a melody it was quite lovely, and a virtuoso performance of the sort he cherishes (as do I).

I knew from the moment I heard the demos that he is most truly alive when he's singing Christian songs, and that I would have to and was willing to deal with that as part of the package--that I wanted to learn how to deal with it, because Christianity has been an issue for me for a long time. There's a long and varied history that I think anyone regardless of affiliations and beliefs would find at least parts of sympathetic, but I don't want to go there. Oddly, even after more unpleasantries in RL post YWT I'm still in a better place. It really used to be such a weight for me, still is, but much, much less. It's my karma to work this out, for real, so YAY for YWT.

But I wanna talk about the handbasket instead. Clay reminds me of the saints and shamans who have a sexual relationship with the divine--just look at the guy in the Clackhouse banner--just look!!! It isn't just that he's hot--it's fascinating to me as a student of religious phenomena to witness and be touched by the experience he's having when he sings to his god even if I don't go to exactly the same place with it. It's fascinating to watch myself be captivated by this experience which for me has a religious component. It's a Gopi/Krishna thing--along with other women I share this experience of a kind of sexual communion with a someone who is, in a sense, an incarnation of divinity. Course he's just the vessel, but hey--what a vessel.

Clay's faith can fascinate me even if I don't share in the particulars--its strength and simplicity is admirable, its intensity when he sings is captivating, and I find it inspiring. I'm curious about his faith, about whether there are times he says, "Why me?" when all the crap keeps happening to him. Perhaps he has a bit of a martyr complex and chalks it up to suffering for the Greater Good. So I can find his religion interesting and attractive without sharing his religious affiliation.

Anyway, his appearance at the concert has fostered an interesting conversation at several boards today, and I think it's been constructive for us here to really talk about something we don't all agree on for a change. (I keep saying us, but I'm not sure I've even posted all day. Obviously I've been a participant.)

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On the lighter side, I love this thread at the OFC: Clay fans of the future. It's short, but has some really sweet stories.

Yeah you will need to listen to it more than ones to actually hear his voice..but it was great.

If someone has a video from the front of the stoage we will hear their voices better. But I love how his low register stood out against SCC's voice...that was how I was first able to distinguish his voice then I just followed that sound.

AHHH...great to get hit by clack...hey SCC is rocking...will it be ok if he becomes a CCM rockstar???

ouch claygasm...don't hit me...ouch :F_05BL17blowkiss: :F_05BL17blowkiss:

BWAH!!! He was rocking out, wasn't he??

Claygasm, I went apeshit over YWT, but I've come to terms with it. He has such joy when he's singing religious songs, and I just hang out in my handbasket to hell and enjoy it.

It's amazing. The sound is absolutely terrible, and you can still tell how amazing it is. He is wailing. Woo!!

It's up at CV. EEEEE, I am acting like I'm clack-starved. A surprise appearance is cool. 11 minutes to go.

Just to add to the mystery about the teeth, someone linked to a YouTube video of the previous Kimmel appearance in a comment to the YouTube of the current one, and in watching that last night I noticed him rubbing his tongue all over his teeth and so forth, pretty much exactly like this time: It will be locked!

Then I remembered that in watching the Greensboro JNaT videos he was doing a lot of strange facial contortions the whole night, running his tongue around inside his mouth while he was talking--different from Kimmel, more like he had something in his mouth and was moving it around, but for 2 hours??? And in Raleigh during the Solo Tour there was a lot of talk about whether he had done something to his teeth because of the way he was moving his mouth that day. There were also many claims that he had something done to his teeth during AI, and counterclaims that he did not. There were suggestions based on photos post AI that he was wearing invisible braces, and counterclaims that it was a photographic artifact. So???? Is this just another stage in a longer process that's been going on for some time? Or not??? Of course we'll never know, but it was a real surprise to watch that other Kimmel video in the light of this recent appearance. The only difference is that his teeth really looked different this time.

I just read on the CB that there's a rumor of extending Nightline to an hour and bumping Jimmy back to very late night. They should team up Clay and Jimmy and move them to Prime Time instead. They could do a comedy, variety, musical kind of show. Don't know whether Clay could get the serious talk in that he would want to. Maybe something like Laugh-In???

I wonder--rumors of something going on with Kimmel/ABC/Disney go waaaaay back.

Yoo hoo Kimmel FCA'ers. Have a total blast tomorrow!!

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I missed a great day to be around Monday, and today I was just catching up and still trying to absorb the whole conversation of Monday.

I'm sorry some people think we are so mean and awful. I guess if you read things a certain way, it might seem that we're being mean, but we don't mean to be mean. We really don't bite at all. ((Well, most of us ))

I think others said everything needs to be said, so there's just one thing I want to say. The name Pod People came from the Invasion of the Body Snatchers, and the whole idea is that someone you know and love is taken over, changed, has become one of the Pod People. They're called that because after they're taken over their bodies are found in Pods like gigantic pea pods. Meanwhile the one you care about looks and acts (kind of) the same, but they are really gone and have been replaced by a Pod Person. So you can't be a Pod Person if you haven't changed at all. And it is not we who have changed. So you'll have to think of a different name for us. Something clever and creative would be appreciated. Humor would be nice. And do. not. accuse me of loving Clive Davis. Just because I don't spit on his name daily for my own gratification doesn't mean I'm in love with the man.

Clay moved to Raleigh, he decided to reprioritize his life. This is the result. I'm perfectly satisfied. I don't view him as in a slump, or suffering a great loss. I do think he has every intention to stay in show business, and I do think he will be around a long time, doing various things, successfully. I don't need for him to be a superstar the whole time.

I do sympathize with those who would have liked to see him involved in the Grammys this year in some way--so would I. He's not in that top level yet. I'd like to think some day he will be there, but even if he's not, I recognize his talent, I know how it compares with the people there, and that's all I need to know. You know, people don't usually have more than one or two "Grammy years" if any at all--so it's nice to know that isn't over for him yet. Maybe someday he'll have his Dixie Chicks year, and that'll be grand. For now,

Divayenta, BWAH!!!!!!!!

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I think his hair is still the same length as GMA, just combed back. I don't think he looks overweight, just not anorexic (as he did on AI) anymore. He looks very much like a regular guy to me, and is maturing physically like folks do as they grow older. (He does appear to be in a pissy mood--just loves having his picture taken at the airport doesn't he?)