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Holy Sheet, people... it took me forever and a day to catch up and now I can't think of a friggin' thing to say. I don't know squat about Paris Hilton, I'm all talked out about the bit..er, OFC, I'm beat to a pulp from work today, so.... Hmm. What to do? FullyFunctional... :F_05BL17blowkiss: In case you're lurkin'. Welcome to all the newbies! Awwww, I love that couch tomato story!

Gee, Clay blogged about his trip to Paris. And other stuff. Guess it wasn't a rumor after all.

keepingfaith... thanks. Thanks for baring your fan soul. And describing the closest thing to an objective viewpoint that could ever be. That was all sorts of healing for me for some reason. I don't know whether to cry or just be grateful that you're still around or what, but you touched me and I appreciate it... and you. :F_05BL17blowkiss: I'm done bein' bitchy now! Fuckers. <---whoops, that slipped.

Well, she posted enough vitriol in that thread to accomplish her mission. And it was a mission, not just a wish. They waited and pounced. They make me sick, frankly and they should be ashamed of themselves. Sadly, they are probably proud. You're right Jenna... lots of celebrities boards are shut down. So, I'm gonna take a chill pill over it. But I'll be a monkey's ass if I'm gonna let those people tell me how to act, think, post, or otherwise express myself. God, I'm pissed.

OMG....................I'm sorry but I'm doing a happy dance here....... I hope they get rid of a certain group of people over there. I'm not. I'm fucking pissed. Way fucking pissed. And mortified that adults can act like such complete judgemental assholes. Embarrassing doesn't begin to cover it. I am totally ashamed of this fandom today. I hate this shit.

I miss the teeth. (sorry) I love you!

Well, dayum..... those are purdy!

True 'dat! That place is definitely a pit of hell or something... the claws and the bickering I can't take. Complaining yes, bickering no. See? I have a line! Hee. But yeah, I'll always have a membership... not sure if it's because I'm a minion, or I'm too freaking nosy! I absolutely can.not.wait for your response to the concert. I'm so glad you got good seats. :F_05BL17blowkiss: Oooo, I gotta watch the second The Riches. Minion that I am and all. I have no manners!!!

You'll all be shocked to know that I don't mind the OTT criticism or the OTT praise or the mediocre stuff. I want it all! Seriously. Claygasm and I aren't twins on this one. I was at AC too. And I took some really cute pictures of John/Clay. And I love them. I thought the whole thing was just precious. I'm an easy bitch though, because I pretty much just take things for what they are at the time. If I love it, I'll watch again. If I don't... I won't. But I'm still glad for what it was when it happened. And I might love it at the time, because I'm in the Clay Aiken fog and later think, WTF was that and how did I get sucked in so easily. Hee. PLUS, I guarantee if I was in attendance at the Virgin Signing, that banner up there would be my favorite banner evah! There's so much that goes into our emotions about this stuff -- I can't judge other people for expressing whatever they are feeling. In fact, I want them to. It doesn't harsh my mellow or ruin an experience for me. It all goes back to everyone's here for a different reason. Everyone's getting something else out of it. Everyone "likes" Clay on a different level. Thinking back to my own range of feelings for the guy during the course of my fandom, I gotta think that everyone has at least one of those feelings going on at one time or another. And I can respect that. And most definitely their right to have them and express them. As long as nobody is telling anyone else how to feel or how to express their feelings, I personally think there is room for everyone on these boards. As for people no longer being fans... I think it's a hard thing to let go of (I'm not talking about people who want to see harm come to Clay; I'm talking about fans who can't find much to like and are struggling with it). We've all spent a lot of time together, and on this fandom. It's a bit of a habit. And we've developed some friendships. When my friends are grappling with their feelings, it makes me feel for them. I don't want them to shut up about it. I mean, I've had my own share. I've got VERY mixed feelings about ATDW. Somedays I listen and don't really like most of it. Other days I like it for exactly what it is... Other days I like it just because it's my Clay. And that is a HUGE part of this whole fandom thing. I have feelings about him. If I don't like the next Robbie Williams CD, so what... I just don't buy it - nothing lost for me. If I don't like the Clay CD, well, that's WAY more complicated. So I give people a HUGE amount of space for their genuine feelings. Hell, it took me months to like his long hair...and I bitched about it plenty, and my board friends all hugged me over it and I appreciated that immensely... and suddenly... I'm thinkin' it's pretty cute. Heh! Of course, now he's cut it all off! There are definitely people in the fandom that are simply here to fuck with other people or who constantly insist on telling other people how to be a fan. That's my personal line. But I bet we all have a different list of who those folks are. And we all have different lines. And it's interesting to me to hear where everyone draws theirs. Anyway, I typed all this out and now it seems stupid, but I'm posting it anyway and I promise I won't go back to it again... I think I've said this 9000 times now. p.s. I loved the JNT2. In all it's cheesy goodness. I adored it. But then, I still love Rogers and Hammerstein's Cinderella, and that shit is cheeeeeeeeeeeeeese to the max! Serious Velveeta. I have the whole soundtrack on my iPod... Hee. *sings* Ten Minutes Ago I saw you....

BWAH!!! I just thought you didn't want a bunch of colors messin' up the text. Weeeeeeeee! Colors!!!!!!!!!!

I like the colors. I like the text fit. I agree, remove "Aiken". I think the titles are fine. The only thing I'd change is I'd not capitalize "Did". So it'd be, "I did Clay..." Should we standardize on a font to use for all the "sayings" shirts? I used non-standard fonts; pristina and pphandwriting. But I reckon we should use something we both have if we're both creating artwork.

No, CG, it's Jamie's mother, not Jaymes'. And MrJamie, not MrJaymes. There are pictures of Jamie, MrJamie and their son floating around from Jamie's MySpace. That's definitely Jamie's husband. I have some, but I'm not posting them, cuz well, I feel ridiculous analyzing their family. Not Clay's uncle... MrJamie is her husband (not her dad). Those boys are not Jamie's kids. She's too young to be their mother. Her son is only 2-3 ish.

Jaymes does have a shitload of sibs, but they are older than these people. And they are all women. I think David is the only brother (he has six sisters) -- heh, which means he also grew up around a bunch of women. He also has four daughters. Ha. I don't know who the young men are - they could be Levys, but the guy behind Jaymes is Mr.Jamie and Clay is standing being Jamie and her mother. Awww, lookie how cute Durham is?

Hey, I know you. Hee. :medium-smiley-070:

I think the length is fine no matter what. I can make it fit.... God, muski is ruining me! I'll sample a long one (heh), and give you a peek! Heh again. That one about California sounds like an STD though.

Off to check the shirt thread!

I'm sorry that frustrates you. I look at it this way. If I can't tell my friends I'm feeling disappointed in something, who can I tell? Like I said, if they are genuinely disappointed, that's fine. I'm sorry they feel that way. They aren't over there picketing the OFC yelling at Clay for giving crappy blog... they're talking to their "friends". That's ok with me. In this case, the OFC sold people blogs... people have a right to be bothered to not receive something they feel they paid for. I understand getting sick of listening to a constant drip of bitching - my sister, the ass () does that sometimes and I want to throttle her, but... she's just venting. I dunno. That's the stuff I'm easy with I guess. Anyway, thanks so much for having the chat... It's really fun!!! :F_05BL17blowkiss:

Oh hell yes. I have PMs and IMs from people who "don't do PMs or IMs" telling me all sorts of bullshit. So yeah, I agree completely. Backchannel gossip is ridiculous. BUT, people need to stop being desperate for some sekrit news and stop being so gullible!!!!! I cannot believe the people who believed some of the things they believed last year. Oy. And I agree ldyjocelyn. People don't post to each other sometimes... you can't take their words at face value. There is always some underlying crap, super sekrit decoder BS with their posts. I ignore everything from people who post like that anymore. If you can't post straight up without talking like you're sending a sekrit message to Clay, then I have no time for you. Ever. I'm bitchy that way.

Since Claygasm has proven to be my long lost twin, I'll just say, yeah that. However, I'll add that just because people POST what they'd like Clay to do, does not mean they are trying to control what he does. I think it's better when people can distinguish the difference between armchair quarterbacking and telling Clay what to do as if it will make some difference. Talking directly to Roger, or Clay, or Mary, or Nick, or Faye (god), or any number of "connections" to try to steer Clay's career = bad. Talking to fellow fans on message boards = normal. IMO of course.

Hee. Exactly. I have no problem with anyone saying he looks like shit. Cuz sometimes he does, and also it means that they are still shocked that he could ever look like shit, which means they are still smitten. Complaining doesn't bother me for some reason. If that's how people feel and it's genuine, I'm cool. If they're just being mean, then well, pox on them. I'm not really a "if you don't have something nice to say..." kinda gal. But yeah, the looks thing counts for me. I don't judge him on it... but I definitely have preferences and have no problem stating them or hearing others. I love ALL of his clothes though... never saw an outfit I didn't like, except maybe that one in the banner. Shh.

Because the man is a chameleon and his hair is his skin. One hair out of place and his entire face changes. It's wack! And some of us are highly visual. I want him to be cute. It's his job. Besides he started it by changing it every five seconds.

I love that he doesn't squander his opportunities. He's a big sponge soaking up life. His "fandom" probably went through the same cycle as ours - albeit on a different scale. Hence the Radner quote. But still, there he is, always making the best of what's put in front of him. If anyone repeats this I'll deny, deny, deny.... but in a way, it is like watching a son grow up. I love seeing his youth meet life - and what he does with it. Does that make sense? Never stopped me from wanting to do him though.

Aww. I still have fun. I still laugh my ass off mostly. I do also go the other way, but I still laugh. I'm a board ho for that very reason. I need the full gamut. I want this to be fun, and crazy, and inspiring, and educational... all rolled into one. And I'll be damned if it isn't. That's why I love it. We just had a clone scavenger hunt at WMS/gca this past week. Take time for fun, silly! Where's the squish emotie?

I totally agree. Everyone came in to the fandom through a different chute. People who fought in the Ru/Clay fights are STILL fighting, etc. People who came in to vote and be on the street teams are still in competitive mode, and so on. People are here for Clay, or here for fun, or here to troll around, or here to be part of Clay's world. And sooo..... because this leads into how MY fandom has changed... I started out totally naive to any of this. Came in after AI, just cuz I was looking for more Clayyyy. I found TTC of all places and was fascinated by the whole Internet fandom thing. Never saw anything like it before. Don't watch much TV -- but, I'd been an Internet junkie for years and never saw anything like this... All I wanted was more info and I thought, what a bunch of nice people. I think I'll just hang around and have nice innocent fun with this and my mom. We surfed together (3000 miles apart) and giggled at the fun everyone was having. Then I joined a board. I hardly slept for two years! I was obsessed with the boards and being a fan/playing fandom WAY more than I was obsessed with actual Clay. It was all new and wonderful at first, just like any new relationship/experience. Weeee. It never occurred to me that there was such a thing as trolls or anyone that wasn't full-on face value. It never occured to me that some people have zero integrity. I took a lot for granted. I learned a few lessons. We probably all did. As for Clay, at first I was smitten like a teen in love, loved his fresh-scrubbed cute boyness and awesome voice, graduated into , moved on to having the time of my life with new friends, got over . I used to LOVE everything he did... I loved to hear him breathe. I got over that too, quite awhile ago. I still adore him and love seeing him, but I don't always like the music, and I don't always like the appearances, I don't always like his voice, even. When I do though, it's still SEX! I have real perspective and I think that's good for both of us. I don't collect all the trinkets anymore (but I do have every electronic piece of clack that exists!)... but I still want front row and I still want more pictures and I still LOVE being a fan, especially with the diversity that exists... as much as I bitch about it... I love it. It's a real peek into a slice of humanity. Love it. Aww, thanks for being part of my day and my life, ya'll! :F_05BL17blowkiss:

Hee, play. I have a sister that fits this description.