Claygasm

For me, the only scenario to surface that makes any sense to me whatsoever is what Jaymes’ former sister-in-law (who supposedly she is still friends with) said – that Jaymes is pregnant but Clay is not the father. I can see the following scenario happening. While in LA Clay is out and about with Jaymes, who is pregnant. Clay being a rather touchy feely type, probably showed affection toward his close friend. Some gossip type person saw them and started wondering if the kid is his. He probably used his slimely sources and found out Jaymes had conceived through artificial insemination and either decided it was Clay’s (probably thinking Clay was gay so how else could it be his) or decided it would make nice, juicy gossip to say it was Clay’s. No one cares about Jaymes in and of herself, but put Clay in the mix – especially with the artificial insemination angle – and you have a story! Then he gets someone from the Foster camp to pose as the person who supposedly gave the oddly worded statement confirming all this, or you just come up with it on your own. Voila! Confirmation and now all the semi-legitimate news outlets are reporting it (it was even on the Today show this morning, I read). Big story for someone whose career is all but over because his album tanked! And never let the facts get in the way of a good story! But as word spreads the Foster camp (and probably Clay assuming he is aware of it) are upset. The last thing they probably want is all this gossip possibly upsetting Jaymes at this point! But they don’t want to stir the fire, so to speak, and they KNOW Clay has a policy of not commenting on gossip and crap, so they first retract the so-called statement made by a supposed spokesperson for the Fosters and then the former sister-in-law (and apparently friend) attempts to set the record straight in that one article. The Fosters then decide to take a page from Clay’s book and not comment any further. The only think I find odd is none of the news outlets that ran with the story originally seem to be mentioning what the former sister-in-law said. I mean, why not bring that statement up? Oh, I forgot. That would raise the possibility that the story is false and we wouldn’t want that, would we! Yup, this scenario is VERY believable to me – sad though it may be. But I for one find it completely unbelievable that Clay and Jaymes are having a kid together, that – to quote the supposed Foster rep – Clay “impregnated” Jaymes, that they are good pals and have no plans to marry. While for some that scenario may not be so far fetched, with everything we know of Clay (which admittedly is not much), and all we have heard him say in the past, I just cannot imagine that. It is MUCH easier to believe that the “details” of Jaymes’ pregnancy were manufactured for the sake of selling a good piece of gossip. Actually, that is very easy to believe in today’s world. So until and unless we get word from Clay and Jaymes that they are going to be parents together (and yes, they will need to confirm it eventually if it is true, IMO), I do not believe it is true. FOR ME, it is the only scenario that is logical to me and that is how I have to operate. You know what they say – consider the source and the source is TMZ. So, GREAT news about OWMH breaking into the 20’s! Woo hoo!! If Clay can impregnate a few more women, we may have a #1 single on our hands!

IMO there is a HUGE difference between PRYING and INFORMING. Once the cat was out of the bag, so to speak, not to say anything definitive invites prying. Just a simple confirm or deny would HELP stop it. No, it wouldn't stop it completely, but it would help. The gossip rags will still do their thing, but the more legitimate outlets would probably stop. I am not prying into their lives but I just feel rather than have all these rumors swirling around it would make sense to tell us, his fans, his bread and butter, the truth - one way or another - not all the details. Just a "don't believe everything you hear" or "I am so excited Jaymes and I are going to be parents." No more than that is necessary! We'll just have to agree to disagree on this. djs, your opinion is your opinion but I really get the disapproval, I-am-more-moral-than-you vibe coming from you posts in response to mine. If I am misreading that, I'm sorry, but that is how they are coming off and I do not appreciate it. You have YOUR opinion and I respect that and I only ask you respect my opinion - no matter how much you disagree with it. I have as much right to my opinion as you do to have yours. There is no definitive right or wrong here.

BUT.....true or not - this is really NONE of our business. Sure, have opinions on it, just like opinions on Brangelina or whatever, but no one owes anyone else any explanation of what they do in their own private life. Doesn't matter if that life is dragged all over the stage for the delectation and entertainment of strangers. Why should Clay confirm or deny? Why should he "handle" what is surely a most personal event for the gratification of strangers? This is a most private intimate matter, true or not - is anyone here related to them? Even then, not really any of your business. We don't own him, he is not our child. That is all very nice in theory, but the fact is he is a public figure and that means parts of even his private life are public. He is also a public figure who has established a more personal relationship with his fans. Plus, this is not something that will just go away. And sometimes it is better just to confirm or deny in order to bring order back into the crazy universe. He didn't necessarily owe us anything before this story broke, but IMO he does now if for no other reason than to just set the record straight. If its not true, it could be as simple as a blog that says "Don't believe everything you read". If its true a simple statement saying he and Jaymes are having a baby together and are very happy. No further details are needed. Once you enter the public arena you lose some of your privacy. It may not be right but it is the way it is. With a new day I am beginning to lean toward the its not true department. Partly, I am sure, because I do not want it to be true. I am not ready for that! Partly because its all so bizarre and it just TO ME - with absolutely NO knowledge of the real Clay and his relationship with Jaymes - it just doesn't seem like something he wouldn't do - nor does it seem like something Jaymes would ask of him. I also keep thinking of Clay's policy of not commenting on crap that isn't true and I really think if this was true, and since it has reached "legitimate" news outlets, if it were true he would say something, issue some statement. On the other hand, the fact it has reached "legitimate" news sources who usually check their sources better than TMZ makes me think perhaps it is true. It just seems sooooooooooooooo bizarre. From what I have heard, this BJ Cook, Jaymes' former sister-in-law, is still close to Jaymes (and apparently David, for that matter), and the fact the statement from the Foster camp was retracted makes me feel as if they never thought the fact Jaymes is pregnant would ever become public knowledge but once it did they wanted to take the sensationalism out of it by letting it known that Clay is not the father and I bet one reason is they know they only reason anyone cares about Jaymes being pregnant is the whole Clay is the father by artificial insemination angle and that maybe with that one aspect gone they will leave her alone. No further comment necessary. But who knows. If it is true I do think he needs to say something and I do think he owes "us" that. No details needed. Just yes or no and then he shuts up. Actually, I personally love muski's scenario that Clay and Jaymes planted the story just to punk the media, but I doubt that's true since Jaymes is really pregnant and it could cause her unnecessary stress. But it would be funny! So I am keeping my fingers crossed Clay is NOT the father of Jaymes' baby. Its the only scenario that makes sense to me. Ansa, I still haven't told her it was Clay on the CD, but I will. She gave me back the survery just after I had read all this baby crap so I was a little distracted!

OK, I almost forgot this with everything going on, but to change the subject a little bit.... Remember my experiment - my market research on OWMH that I did on my co-worker? She is 27 years old. According to the survey I gave her, her favorite artists are Aerosmith, Keith Urban and (are you ready for this?) Ashlee Simpson. Over the weekend I will go into more detail of what she thought of the mystery album (OMWH plus both bonus tracks), but these were her comments that she made about the CD overall after listening to it 4 times: Her top 3 songs were Ashes, Falling and WOTW. Her least favorite was SAU, followed by LAA and GOG. Oh, and OMWH the song was her 4th favorite. That said, SAU - her least favorite - she said she had a very high emotional connection and she rated the voice, melody, production, tempo all second from the highest rating! So even though it was her least favorite song, she still really liked it! BUT, she said she was somewhat unlikely to purchase the CD. She rarely purchases or downloads a full CD - averages one or two a year. But she regularly downloads individual songs. If this is becoming the norm, no wonder CDs aren't selling well. As much as she seems to have liked the CD (and looking over the rest of her answers, she did like it a lot), she wouldn't likely buy it as a whole. Thought it was interesting. Like I said, once all this baby talk is done I will go over the survey as a whole.

Play - I hadn't read the Canadian site's take on this when I posted. But the idea of Clay being out of touch CMSU! The man is never without some communication device! But... If Clay is not the father, then I can see why they might not say anything, although why couldn't they just say Clay is not the father's of Jaymes' baby and leave it at that?

Well, knock me over with a feather. I must admit, I'm a little shocked, and I don't know that it takes audacity. This came directly out of left field so it's kinda a suprising twist on the roller coaster of Clay Aiken Park. I'm not exactly the most traditional of folks ( I used AI myself ), and I have no idea if this is true, someone helped out a friend, two people wanted a baby, or what (I don't believe they are any more than friends, but hey, you never know and whatever works), but I did think Clay would have gone for the traditional meet, date, fall in love, marry, have babies path. My mistake obviously, but yeah, that's how I figured it'd go down. Which is really kinda stupid of me, but hey... I have my issues. LOL! I'm sure after I squish it around in my brain a little, I'll be all, wow, Clay's gonna be a dad. A Dad? A Father to a baby. Guess that explains a few (hundred) things. Or at least that's how I'll apply them. My Clay Aiken world view just shifted a wee bit, not for better or worse, just will make me look at songs, words, etc., a little differently. Parenthood does that. Ooo, we're all gonna be aunties... or something. Looks like we're twinning a bit again!! I guess I don't see what this all being panned has to do with being shocked or any other reaction. THEY planned and we weren't in on it, so it seems to me being shocked is a pretty normal reaction. Now my needing to be talked down from the ledge (thank you muski! :F_05BL17blowkiss: ) - now that's not a normal reaction. I had to have dinner with my mother and brother tonight and the entire time all I could think about was this. Before dinner I had a long talk with muski. Between the two I have narrowed down my reaction to two main things. Now, before I go further let me say Clay's life is his own and what he and Jaymes decided to do is their own business and I HOPE they know what they are doing and that as the years pass things stay good between them and that they and this kid are happy always. Their life in REALITY has nothing to do with mine. But since when did reality have anything to do with my fandom??? So........ First, I am angry and I am angry at Clay, TC, Jaymes whoever. NOT because of what happened between Clay and Jaymes but how they have handled it. While I can understand keeping the news under wraps for awhile, this is not something that could be ignored. News was eventually going to come out. Why did this have to break with TMZ? Why was there no announcement before now? Ok, maybe they had planned an announcement but TMZ beat them to the punch. So where is the announcement from Clay now? I know some will tell me I am wrong, but I think at this point Clay OWES us an announcement. The cat is out of the bag. Confirm or deny! Its that simple. I thought for sure by the time I got home tonight there would be some sort of announcement. But nooooooooooo. I supported and endorsed his decision to keep quiet during the crap of '06. But this is different. It is REAL. And, it is supposed to be a happy thing. All he or his people needed to do was issue a brief press release saying something like "Clay and Jaymes are happy to confirm they are indeed expecting a baby together. They are thrilled and hope all of you will be happy for them". That's it. No need to get into the artificial insemination or their future plans or anything like that. Just a simple acknowledgment. But we get silence. And that makes me angry. He is letting the asshats have their fun. Maybe it would have been inevitable anyway, but I do believe it would have been to a lesser degree if they had announced it first. At least maybe then they could have had a bit more control over things. But with that ship having sailed, they NEED to say something now. But all we get is silence. The other reaction I am having I realized as I was eating dinner. I realized I had the same feeling I always got when one of my friends got married or had a kid. It was the feeling that our relationship would change forever - and it did. It had to. It was inevitable. Their priorities changed. And rightfully so. As the single, childless friend, I was the one left behind. As time went on, we weren't as much a part of each other's lives until, in most cases, the friendship became a shadow of what it once was. In my heart I feel that this is what will happen with Clay. He'll still be around, but it won't be the same. We won't hold the same place of importance in his life as we once did. Good for him, perhaps, but..... I feel him slipping away and with him the part of him i have loved the most these past 5 years - the fun, the lust, the laughter, the friendship. I feel he won't tour as much, and when he does it won't be the same. I can't really explain it, but I have been here before. Each time a friend would tell me they were getting married or having a baby, while I was happy for them, I was sad for me because I knew I was being left behind in a way. And its not like we all didn't try to make sure that didn't happen. But it did. It had to. It was a different dynamic and it could never go back to the way it was. So as with each time before, I feel I have to mourn. I know it isn't rational. I know he isn't really my friend. But he has been a very real part of my life for the last 5 years and I feel now it is all about to change. And I don't like it. I wish him and Jaymes and this kid well. I HOPE they have thought through everything, including what will happen if they fall for someone else. From the little we know, it seems as if this will not be a traditional family and I hope they are prepared for all the special challenges that will entail as the years go on. I hope they can shield this kid from the asshats who refuse to let go of Clay. But as for me, I am sad. Can't help it. I don't like real life much right now and without my escapism into the Clay world, I don't know where I am. My problem. Not Clay's. But I really thought I was done with being the one left behind. Guess not.

Oh come on! They don't mind others announcing a pregnancy, and how it was done but they want to wait to announce they are married? Yup. That makes sense. But none of this makes any sense to me.

He is NOT married to her. I am sure if the Foster camp saw fit to confirm the artificial insemination and that they're good friends part they sure as hell would have confirmed a marriage if they were married!

Reading that bit from the Foster family again - it TOTALLY and COMPLETELY makes a point of them having a PLATONIC relationship. That is one reason why its so weird to me! I cannot inderstand this. I think it has been mishandled by both camps. ITS WEIRD!

Its a big deal because of the wording used in the confirmations from the Foster camp. If they had any kind of commited relationship or even if they were just friends, why even mention it? THAT is really no one's business! Just say Clay and Jaymes are thrilled to confirm they are expecting a baby together. PERIOD. Why say more? Its just too weird for words. Too weird.

The whole thing is beyond weird.

Wish I could say the same. For some reason this is really bothering me. A LOT!

I don't see why anyone would want this to be true. It will play right into the hater's hands. It doesn't matter whether or not its true or if it is that artificial insemintaion may have been used due to fertility issues. The spin - what most will believe - is that Clay is gay so he couldn't or wouldn't do it the old fashion way. With all Clay has ever said I don't believe he would voluntarily father a child out of wedlock or at least if he isn't at least in a full time relationahip - as in living together full time - with the mother. I doubt he will voluntarily put a child into a home without 2 full time parents. Someone said Jaymes was at David's gala very recently and there was no reported baby bump. If she's due in August I would think she would be showing. And someone else said that she had been seen with a man around town - not Clay. I also think if something like this were true - something which can be seen by anyone whenever Jaymes went out in public - knowing how the media is, I would think Clay and TC would want control of the story by announcing it early on. If they chose not to, IMO that would be a stupid move. If there is any truth to this story it is likely that Jaymes in pregnant, not that Clay is the father.

I'm surprised it didn't say "multiple sources texted TMZ...."

Supposedly now its on the front page at AOL. I have an uncomfortable feeling about all this.....

You seem to be in position - are you volunteering?

Walmart! Clay loves Walmart! (I think I read that some where once...)

Maybe this is what Faye meant by something fun and exciting this summer!

Or tour ... since this baby's coming in August! Goodness, I hope Jamie and Tyra and Hannah and Angela don't turn up pregnant too. Who knows, he could have a whole drawer full of turkey basters. Well I read somewhere that someone thought Angela looked pregnant in the AOL sessions videos.....

So I guess that's because he doesn't "do it" with women????? Geez! Where do they get these ideas??? Multiple sources. Someone in their late 40s who really wanted to get pregnant would be more likely than not to use artificial insemination. That wasn't the implication the way it was written. So, how many think its true? I am already reading that some think it may be! CMSU! People are actually hoping its true!!! IF it is (which I very much doubt), it will be fuel for the gay fodder. Many a gay man who wants a child uses artifical insemination with a friend to get one.

So I guess that's because he doesn't "do it" with women????? Geez! Where do they get these ideas???

But what will Hannah say?? For that matter, what will his finacee say?? Or FBM? Of course, I have been wondering what FBM is saying about his being engaged to one of her pals while impregnating her, but now he's impregnating another woman!! NO wonder he's too busy to properly promote this CD! ETA: Impregnated with a turkey baster??? CMSU!!!

So, around the Clay Nation many are waiting (some anxiously) for Clay to be dropped from RCA. If every singer who sold "only" 130K or so in 3 weeks were dropped from their label, would anyone still be signed to a label? Is Gavin McGraw about to be dropped from J Records for "only" selling a similar amount in the same amount of time despite A LOT of radio?? Why do so many want him to be dropped from the label? Is that ever a good thing? Talk about bad publicity!

Ducky - I emailed Catey Hill at WJBR because several years ago she was very nice and responsive. But I never heard a word back. I said I had heard him on Kimmel and wondered if they would be adding the song to their playlist. I also joined whatever you sign up for to do surveys. I forget wat its called but it was on the lower right part of their website. They email you when they have a survey. I had one and it was a Rate the Music type thing. Guess we'll see what happens but I am not bugging her again unless and until OMWH moves up more significantly on one of the charts. OK, thinking about these lyrics in relation to his fans was like a whoa moment.......

:cryingwlaughter: :cryingwlaughter: Ok, this seriously made me laugh out loud!!!! Boy did I need that!! Personally? And you can definitely have TMJ issues without tooth pain, CG. Unless it's your sinuses...Or wearing headphones or earbuds too long. heh Well, that cleared that right up!! :F_05BL17blowkiss: BWAH! Oh how I love this!!! Hee! Its like my Muppet song has deeper meaning!! It must be super seekrit code for "I knew you crazy enthusiastic fans would act all crazy enthusiastic like this and go off the deep end!!"! Ok, my attempts at humor are getting lost even on me, so maybe its time for bed! But before I go, my lurking elsewhere did give me some vital info someone has kept secret from us here at FCA. :bday2: 00lsee!!!!! ETA: Canfly, I keep meaning to say hi to you and welcome you to FCA!!!