Claygasm

I hear ya! Only for me, For those who don't enjoy Sir Robin for what he is, may the rabbit with great big pointy teeth nibble their bums! IMO, Clay did great with Sir Robin. When I first heard he ws going to be in Spamalot I thought it was a match made in heaven. For someone like Clay who seems so ADD, not being held too tightly to a script or character is perfect. I don't know whether Clay is a good serious actor. We haven't had a chance to see that yet. I frankly cannot imagine him in a serious role or a real character role. But it wouldn't surprise me if he would be really good in such roles. Nothing, I mean NOTHING, Clay does, will do or could do would surprise me anymore!

****Sigh**** If that doesn't give you sweet dreams, I don't know what will!!! Keep safe all those on the Gulf coast - and remember your pets!!!!!!

Why can't I find the pin ordering thread???????????

Oh what now??? Did y'all miss me??? **crickets** Anyone notice I was missing??? **crickets** **Sigh** I had a GREAT time in NY last weekend, then came back and ended up working waaaay too late every day so I was too tired when I got home to even read! So what did my Lurker Friend and I do in NY without Clay? We walked. A LOT! We walked from Times Square down through the Village, Soho, spent 5 seconds in the crowds on Canal Street and worked our way to South Street Seaport. There we bought cheap tickets to Rent (since its closing 9/7 we thought that is what we should go see), ate, drank, sat out by the water in the gorgeous weather. Thought about continuing down to Battery Park to get the Staten Islkand Ferry, but decided to get another drink instead and sit some more in the sun and watch the people. Eventually we decided to get the subway back. We went back to the hotel, changed and then went to the theater. After the show we found somewhere to catch a bite to eat and drink and then wandered around Times Square awhile and then went back to the hotel to sleep. Sunday we got up and thought about getting tickets to Spamalot for that afternoon. Yup. We actually considered it. We both were curious as to what it would be like with other people. We went over to the TKTS booth at the Marriott Marquis, but the lines were incredible! We didn't want to see it that badly! But they did have tickets available for the matinee for 50% off. Instead we walked up tp Central Park, walked through the park until we got to about 72nd street on the 5th avenue side, sat by the water for awhile and people watched. Then we walked across the park to Central Park West, continued on to Columbus Ave and then walked back to Times Square where we finally got something to eat. Then we decided to go over to the Shubert and check out the stage door! What a difference. There were only between 15 and 20 people there tops. They had one barrier up. Bradley Dean came out and started texting someone. He just waited in the alley for awhile. One person went up to him (he is VERY good looking!). A few minutes later Rick Holmes came out and met up with Bradley Dean and they walked off. One person came up to him. A few moments later Stephen Collins came out. One person semi-shouted a weak "YAY". A Shubert security person stood by. He went around, signed stuff and posed for pictures with everyone and went back in. I think the 15 or so people were waiting for Drew Lachey to come out but it was getting late and we had to get our train. So we walked back to our hotel, got our bags and walked to the train station. There was no indication that Clay was coming back at the theater. We went inside the lobby area and all around but nothing anywhere that indicated he would be back. I would have thought if they wanted him to bring in people other than "us" they would advertise it! Also no indication the show would be closing, although I guess its a bit far out to publicize that if its true. There were signs everywhere that Rent was closing. Of course, maybe its not, but what is funny about that rumor is I said to someone when we heard Clay was coming back and then so was David Hibberd that maybe they were all reuniting to close out the show. But then again, no Hannah as far as we know. And we don't know if Jonathan is coming back to play the king, so I guess that probably isn't it. Besides, if it is closing in February, I can't believe Clay wouldn't stay on until then and if he is I would think they would announce it. Still don't have Spam tickets. Can't decide when to go and after spending so much this past weekend, it will have to wait. I know I will go - just not when or how often. I am positive I won't go as many times as the last time. I just cannot afford it. I think others may be in the same boat and with the holidays money may be tight for some. I do not expect he will draw as many as before and while the not just us types also filled the seats the first time around, they are likely less apt to go see him again in it than we are. I feel confident he will increase sales - just not as much as before - and I bet the TPTB at Spam will happily take it! Love both pins! I will definitely order, but couchie, put 2 of each aside for me in case I forget, ok??? Ok, off to bed. Another long day at work awaits me tomorrow......

Beautiful pin! But, but, but..... We MUST have another "Doing Clay" pin! Musn't we? Its tradition!!! I mean, just because he's a father now doesn't mean we can't still do him, right?? Muski - Have a wonderful time with your wonderful family! Hope KAndre and Scarlett make it out of Newark! Me - I am just excited to be going to NY for the weekend!!

Safe and fun trip Scarlett and KAndre! I cannot wait to hear the reports!! I am heading to NY Friday for a totally non-Clay weekend with my Lurker Friend. We've been talking about it since March and planned it before we knew Clay was returning to Spamalot. We thought briefly about postponing it until fall, but we both knew we might never leave the theatre district if we did that! The weather is supposed to be great and I am really looking forward to it! We'll go see a show - whatever we can get tickets to at the TKTS booth. It will be fun but I worry it may end up being as expensive as Scarlett and KAndre's trip to Hong Kong! Anyone with any suggestions of something we need to do in NY??

Am I the only one who wishes OMWH got half the publicity the pending birth and subsequent birth of Clay's baby has? Why does it seem the "gossip" surrounding Clay always gets more publicity than his work?? And to me, Clay will NEVER be known as Parker's father. Parker on the other hand will always be known as Clay's son!

Oh if only Waldo had changed my life..... Oh, you mean my cat Waldo! Yeah, he did change mine a bit, but not that much because I had always had dogs and they are ever so much more needy than cats! Mostly he just provided me with company. I DO understand, I just wish it were different.....

Me too, merrieeee. TO ME lately it just seems harder and harder to be a fan of Clay Aiken, period. Lately there has been precious little talk about Clay that hasn't been attached to talk about Parker and Jaymes and where they will live, are he and Jaymes a couple or dear friends or will they be in NY with him 24/7 or not or will Clay ever spend a night away from Parker and Jaymes or not etc, etc, etc. I guess to a degree its only natural to be including talk of Parker, and in this fandom only natural for the rest of the speculation, but still. It would be nice if Clay and Clay alone were the focus of this fandom again. Maybe in time.....

Except, this is still just speculation. Clay could conceivably leave Jaymes and Parker at home, and travel on days off. He could have all sorts of reasons for doing so too - none of which would make him any less wonderful a father. If I recall correctly, didn't Andy leave his newborn to go out on the road with Clay for the JBT (or was it JNT?). Lots of parents do it - and it's two months from when he was born, not two days. Do I think he will? Prolly not. But to say it's ridiculous to think so, or to imply that he would be somehow lacking if he did - not right either. Not without all the facts. OMG! Is this the end of the world?? Cindilu, I completely agree with you! Maybe not for all the same reasons, but I completely agree with you. Bottom line is, we have no actual facts on the nature of Clay's relationship with Jaymes other than they are dear friends who chose to have a baby together. We have no clue what their plans are when it comes to raising that baby, including their living arrangements. The nature of Clay's career takes him out on the road at intervals and it its completely possible he may not want to uproot everyone every time he travels. Maybe Jaymes doesn't relish the idea of moving from his palatial estate in NC (assuming she is living there for now, which seems logical, but that is not to be mistaken for living together because that would be speculation) to a small apartment in noisy NYC. I bet she has plenty of help in NC too - Faye, Jamie, other relatives. And it doesn't look like they are having Sunday matinees this time round, so Clay could easily fly home Sunday evening and stay until Tuesday morning. She may even take some of that time to go back to Vancouver with Parker so her family can get to know him. Or, they may all pack up and move to NY for his time in Spamalot (which also does not imply they are necessarily living together). Or she may spend some time in NC, some time in Vancouver, some time in NY. We just don't know and I bet Clay isn't telling us! Lots of fathers have to leave their kids because of their jobs, and they don't have to baseball players or entertainers. My father traveled a lot and was frequently on the road Monday through Friday. It certainly wouldn't be the first time this happened and it certainly has no bearing on his ability to be a great father.

You know, if you guys want me gone from this board, this is no way to accomplish that!

Other people are defensive?? Bwahahahahahaha…yer killin’ me here. Sometimes this place is funnier than Spamalot. Well, okay, maybe that's overstating it a bit.....<g> :stfu: I always wanted an opportunity to use that emotion. I agree. I also hate that they talk about plans for a possible baby next year. If true, shut the fuck up! "Insider" info should always be taken with a grain of salt. Fact is, it would be highly unlikely even if they wanted to that they could have another kid next year. Under normal circumstances, it takes awhile for a woman's body to get back to normal after giving birth - and Jaymes is older than average. Then if she is breast feeding, that would delay things. Then the fact that she is menopausal probably means it would most likely take more than one try at IVF, which alone puts tremendous strain on a woman's body even when they are young. By the time she is ready to try again - IF she even wants to, her doctor may advise against it. Or maybe if the kid does nothing but cry for 6 months she may not WANT another! Now, one last time for the record - I made it quite clear I was not saying EVERYONE was trying to convert the heathens who believe Clay when he says they're friends. I said SOME and I stand by that. Funny thing about evangelists. They are usually so convinced they are right they aren't even aware of how they are trying to shove their beliefs down the throats of others. By the way, I totally agree Clay and Jaymes have made a commitment to raise this child together. But that is not the same thing as making a commitment to each other in a romantic relationship way. They could be, and I believe are, committed friends who are committed to the raising of this child. That also doesn't mean they will live together, or even in the same town, state or country. They will always be a part of each other's life because of their son. None of that means they are IN love and/or married. Muski - thanks for bringing the smut back! It has been missing for a long time! And I love your avie. I remember when I had a similar one on our first board and when we would post back to back, it was an interesting show...

To continue your 6-year old theme - :mockery-046: Ok, I was making a point by crossing out kid. And you want to know what the point was? I would write my entire post, just words coming out of my head, and when I would go to proof it, I realized I had used the word "kid". That is how natural it comes to me! So, I decided I could go back and post words that are more acceptable to many here, or I could just be me and talk the way I talk - you know, like everyone else has the privilege of doing here. So it was a compromise. I used my words for me, but crossed the "offensive" word out for all of you. So from now on I wil just refer to Clay's son with whatever words I happen to type, and if they say "the kid" you all will just have to deal with it. It is how I talk. Maybe its a regional thing, but I asked around my work and my friends here and not one of them saw anything dismissive or offensive or disrespectful about it. So I will just continue using it. Ok? HUGE WORD!!!!!!! You pretty much hit the reality nail on the head! And whoever it was who said Iseeme was reading with blinders on? Sorry, but it is the other way around if you can't see her point. And whoever said he didn't use the qualifier "just" - well that would have made for an awkward statement! "My just dear friend Jaymes and I..." Come one. Get real! However he DID use the words "dear friend". He didn't have to. He didn't have to qualify their relationship in any manner. He could have just said "Jaymes and I...". But he didn't. He CHOSE to define their relationship as dear friends. And it seems many (of course not ALL or maybe even most, but certainly most around here...) have just chosen to ignore what he said and start looking for hidden clues that "dear friends" means "we're a romantically involved couple". I take Clay at his word. That is all I can do. If I was looking for hidden meanings I would be more inclined to take this whole baby-making thing with a friend as his way of coming out of the closet! To me, that would be a much more logical scenario. But he said once upon a time he isn't gay, so I take Clay at his word. He is straight and he and Jaymes are dear friends, not a romantically involved couple. Everyone is entitled to believe whatever they want, but whenever someone around here dares to suggest they are just friends, as Clay said, its like many of you come out of the woodwork to suggest otherwise! Why do you feel the need to do that over and over again? If you want to believe they are a romantically involved couple, fine. But don't go piling up on those of us who don't and express that! And if you don't think that is what is happening, those blinders are really way too tight! This kid's birth is a good thing for Clay because it was obviously something he wanted. I am sure he is beyond happy and enjoying every minute. I am sure he and Jaymes talked about how he would be raised, where, where everyone would live, etc., but when I said playing it by ear, things change, plans change. Maybe they planned to figure things out as they go depending what is happening with Clay's career and Jaymes career. Isn't that what most parents's do? And there are many, many, many kids being brought up by 2 parents who don't live together, so why would that be so odd? Parenting is always a challenge. They may have more unusual challenges than most but somehow I bet that they'll work it out. Now if only the fandom could do the same. It seems ever since this kid was born sensitivities have been running awfully high. None of you gave birth. That kid is no more yours than mine. Why so defensive of him? And especially, why so defensive of what some of you want Clay's relationship with Jaymes to be?? If you can't get all schmoopie over baby booties and the idea that Clay and Jaymes are probably a romantically involved couple you are treated like a traitor (by some - not all). And that is not fair. NONE of us know anything but what Clay has told us so ALL of us are entitled to "fill in the blanks", as muski said, anyway we want and we should be allowed to without being told we'e just jealous (and trust me, I am NOT!) or delusional or hating on Clay, etc. Fact is, dear friends do the things Clay and Jaymes have done together (except maybe the making babies part) on a regular basis. I used to travel with my male friends on vacation, spend time with his family, spend tons and tons of time together - and we didn't live in the same state. We respect each other and love each other and would do anything for each other, but we were never in live with each other. Most of our friends in the beginning believed from what they observed from the outside that we were romantically involved. Hell, even my parents did with on of the guy friends and were shattered when he got engaged to another woman! My point is, NO ONE KNOWS the true nature of their relationship. All we have is what Clay has chosen to say to us. He chose to say "dear friends". Now if that is not what you believe. I respect that. But why do some feel the need to shove it down the throats of those of us who are non-believers? I feel sometimes like I am being attacked by some right wing evangelist! If someone mentions they don't believe, it is like it is the mission of some to convert the heathen! I don't think anyone on this board - including myself - isn't happy for Clay and doesn't wish all three of them happiness. Shouldn't that be all that matters? I can't wait for Spamalot too. I HOPE that maybe then the talk in this fandom will be less about fantasies and babies and stuff like that and more about the only part of Clay's life we should be involved with - his career. But somehow I doubt it.

Not sure what volumes its speaking to you. To me it says - the kid baby is Clay's, and he probably wanted him born as far away from prying eyes as possible and let's face it, less paparazzi in Raleigh than LA! I just thought maybe Jaymes' family would like to meet their nephew. I am sure Clay can manage being away from the kid baby for a little while. Maybe not right now, but I didn't say now. I said sometime during his run in Spamalot! I didn't say forever. I said for awhile. Who knows what arrangements they have made. They may be playing the whole thing by ear! But I think if they are just friends - which again I believe because Clay told me so and I don't read between the lines or need a super seekrit decoder ring to try and figure out what he actually means instead of what he says - but if they are just friends they each have lives and jobs and homes and they are all across the country from the other. I feel sure that kid child will be a veteran traveller before his first birthday! I think I am overdosing on all this schmoopieness! FOR ME (not infering there is another living soul who feels this way - but I bet I am not alone...) its taking away the fun and levity from this fandom!!! Can't we insert a bit of smut to temper it a bit???? Please?????? And are people really complaining about Spamalot Redux??? Why?? I mean, most of you think I complain about everything, but what's there to complain about with Spamalot?? Except maybe the return of the too blonde, stick straight hair and waaaay too much eyeliner??

I think its possible Jaymes and baby may take at least some of his NY run to go back to her home in Canada and let her many siblings have a gander at their new nephew. Since it seems I am one of the few in this fandom who really believe Clay and Jaymes are just dear friends - you know, since he said so - it might be a good time to get used to not being together 24/7. I think it will be hard for him no matter when it happens, but when he's really busy it might be a good time rather than when he's sitting around his house doing nothing. We have a con.nec.tion! He has a Saab 9-3 and I have a Saab 9-3! Of course, mine isn't a convertible. Mine is used. Mine doesn't have all the bells and whistles, but still! YAY to David Hibbard coming back! I cannot imagine another Patsy!

But couchie, if you saw them together again, I bet the thrill would return! I mean, that "friend" thing seemed rather deliberate and it shows up in every article about the birth. Maybe its because he has someone in his life and that someone is Hannah! He can have a Baby Mama and a girlfriend and still be a great father! And if it was Hannah, when they met Jaymes would have been pregnant already which means that would have been something she would have known about him from the start so when they fell madly in love it didn't phase her because it was a part of who he was! That would have made it much easier for her to accept. Not that I have given this any thought or anything...... I've been wondering where Jaymes' family has been through all this. No word from them at all, not even brother David. Seems odd somehow. Odder still that the press hasn't been bugging David for a comment! So..... how many kids does this mean Clay has? FBM had twins, right? And then wasn't one of her friends also pregnant by Clay when Spamalot ended???

YAY for Spamalot redux!!!! My favorite thing Clay has EVER done!! Woo the hell Hoo! And boy am I glad I live as close as I do. Between Thanksgiving and New Year's hotel rooms in NY are VERY hard to come by and are even more expensive than usual. I doubt I will go as much as last time. I really cannot afford it! But I will be there! I would love it if Hannah came back. I still think its OK to ship them since he and Jaymes are just "dear friends"! Besides, it fun!

Damn! Bottle stole my line! Shows you what I know about babies. I LOVE baby animals, but have never really liked baby people. Now be honest. None of you are surprised, are you!

Said KAndre in the last thread: I'm glad someone else noticed what is REALLY important in those pictures!!! I have never in my life seen anyone hold a baby that way! Looks like he could drop it if the wind blew too hard!

I just saw this too! BWAH!!!! Now if he had been born with glasses I would REALLY be upset!! While I think it is possible Jaymes may have not wanted to marry Clay I tend to believe they are as reported - dear friends, as in platonic. It could be as simple as she desperately wanted a baby, she had no man in her life, didn't want an anonymous donor because she wanted her child to have a father in his life and knew Clay loved kids and would make a wonderful father and she felt comfortable enough in their friendship to go to him with the proposition. I can see that happening with them remaining just dear friends. Boy that David Cook song is sure getting a lot of mileage during Olympic coverage!

Maybe. Hey, she may love him to death but not want to live with him! I hear he's quite the slob!

Yes it is. Some of my closest friends ever have been men and it was never romantic with any of them. My best friend in high school was a guy and we're friends to this day. My best friend from college was a guy and I had a very, very close friend I met about 9 years after college. They were (and are) my dear friends and I love them to death. But it was never, ever anything but platonic. Others often assumed it was because of how much time we spent together. I traveled with them, we were always together, so people just always assumed we were romantically involved. Not sure I would have had a baby with any of them, but that's probably because I didn't want to have a baby with anyone! You know, I think Clay said "dear friend" because that is what they are. Every article, every statement has said they are friends. I just believe if they were romantically involved they would have married when they decided to have a baby together. I also believe if they were married he would have said so when he made the birth announcement. You know what they say. If it walks like a duck and talks like a duck, it is probably a duck. He said they were friends, so chance are that is what they are.

Heidi, I hope you didn't hurt yourself dissecting my posts. I will not get into it with you on the board (or again in a PM so don't bother) but as I did say to you in a PM before, your criticisms often come off as the pot calling the kettle black. Merryclay, I made a point of qualifying the use of the word "we" in my post. To quote myself..... Hope that clears that up. Thankful, I appreciate what you said - and how you said it. And thank you for accepting my explanation of my use of the words "the kid". Now, perhaps we can all move on?? Poor, poor horsey! :Beating_A_Dead_Horse_by_livius: ETA: I really do need to become JennaZ when I grow up (although there is a good chance at this rate I wil never grow up!)! Good to see you here! :F_05BL17blowkiss:

How can I not be over-the-moon happy for Clay, when he is obviously over-the-moon happy with this "little man"? It's his life, and I want him to be happy. It's a no brainer, to me. Never mind the fact that I would be over-the-moon happy for any loving parent or couple who is lucky enough to deliver a healthy baby. Of course, I am one of those "baby people". Heh. I love babies. Always have. And I never questioned or debated your right to be over the moon happy. But I haven't been afforded the respect for not being the same way. That is all I am asking for. And I can't always remember what I said 2 days ago, much less 2 months ago, so why would I expect anyone else to remember? I tried to find what I thought I posted about my feelings on this, but I couldn't find it (maybe I only thought I posted it...). I don't think it would really matter, though. I suspect the same people who don't get it now wouldn't get it any more if you read my reasons. But that's cool. You don't have to get it. Just respect my right to feel the way I do. Like I said, I've come to terms with it and moved on. Just know I do not want to, nor do I think I deserve to be, lumped in with those crazies out there who are condeming Clay and Jaymes to eternal damnation for what they did! Now that it truly incomprehensible to me! I mean, you would think they would be happy! Clay becoming a father in this way means he could still be a virgin!

Geez, do you people keep track of my every word? *g* Ok, as is clear in that quote, I was referring to the idea of the two of them being romantically involved - which I admit does not appeal to me. But they are NOT romantically involved according to Clay and the relationship and discussion today - not 2 months ago - in question is one of dear friends who chose to have a baby together. It is that relationship, the one that apparently actually exists, that I do not have any aversion to. I believe that Ansa made her assumptions based on what I have said in the last 24 hours, but perhaps she too had cataloged what I said 2 months ago! Hopefully that clears that up! And Kim, I would explain my feelings and I think actually I did before, but I really feel if I tried I would just be put on the defensive. If I can find my posts about it, I will repost them so maybe you can understand. But know, the reasons are just mine and have no basis in common sense or logic. But they don't have to. They are just my feelings.