Clayzorback

cha cha, I never talked with Faye about Clay coming out of the closet. This is what I said. This is not even in the same paragraph where I was expressing if Clay asked me for advice, of which he hasn't and won't. Oh I believe that Jaymes also wants a baby. However, I still believe Clay asked her to do this for him, first. IMO She agreed because she would like to have a child too. Personaly I don't care how it went down because it is his business if he wants to do this. He doesn't owe me an explantaion and I haven't once said he should comment on it. If others have a problem with his religious beliefs or think he has misrepresented his morals that's their problem. I wish they would move on, if they can't deal, or he has hurt them beyond their tolerance level. There are lots of gays that don't show their feminism, just as there are lots of them that do. Clay shows a tremendous amount of feminine qualities. He has stated so himself. If he didn't then there wouldn't be all this speculation from everyone except his die-hard internet fans. They (generally speaking) are the only ones who don't think he is. I don't make up all this perception. Anyway, I'm moving on from this topic. Thanks gibby for the explanation. Listen to the words in this song.......... Falling Lyrics sung by Clay Aiken: ’Silence Long lost friend You’ve come to me again Night comes closing in And the loneliness within I’m older Should be wiser Still I never seem to learn I’m closer than ever To the edge [Chorus] And I’m falling I’m falling From the world I used to know Been trying to hold on To something for so long Now this never-ending dream won’t let go I am falling... Restless I lie awake And try to escape [ Falling song text brought to you by LyricsYouLove ] Memories that never sleep A taste of bitter sweet I’ll hold on to forever Still I’m stuck in yesterday I’m closer than ever To the edge [Chorus] And I’m falling I’m falling From the world I used to know Been trying to hold on To something for so long Now this never-ending dream won’t let go I am falling... Come back and wake me up again I can’t face this world alone Cause in my dream I return and then I’m falling, I’m falling’ The man is lonely. He wants to have love in his life. He keeps singing about lonely nights. How hard it is to remain true to himself and how he tries so hard. How he thinks of leaving it all and going back to the way it was. He keeps waiting for the story to end so he can have his dreams come true.

Well, like your assessment of clay's sexuality by observation, all we can go on is what is presented to us. And maybe you would lie about that, because to tell the truth would perhaps put you in a bad light. That sort of argument can be applied to everything, now that I consider it! :-) If that conversation is no one's business, why even bring it up? I don't think this is quite the "bomb" you might be expecting to have dropped, because you are not saying anything that Todd Venice wasn't spouting years ago. Yawn. Anyway, what's wrong with judging someone by their posts? If it is okay to judge people's sexuality from the outside? I don't lie, and I brought it up to make the point that I don't care if Clay reads my opinions. I haven't said anything that I wouldn't say to his face if he asked me. Nice post clayzedover..............Hubby wants computer. I know it will break hearts that I leave. But, I'll be back...........

Looks like someone raided my photobucket account. I have a lot of those emoticons.......

Barack is in Raleigh, North Carolina right now. Do you think Clay will go listen to his speech?

I DO KNOW GAYS UP CLOSE AND PERSONAL. I'm not trying to debate with or change anybody's mind, or think I know him personaly. Just stating what I honestly think. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong. *shrug* Already said I would apologize personally to Clay if I was wrong. If you don't think he is, that's your perogative. I am really starting to love this song. Forget I Ever Knew You Lyrics by Clay Aiken: ’I lie awake while the rest of the world sleeps happily I’m tossing and turning in the dark I try to make some sense of the mess that calls itself my life Just wish I knew where I should start I’d go back in time if I could and erase you from my mind for good I get so tired of trying Maybe I should just... Fly away let my heart pretend My dream comes true and the story ends I get on my feet and start again And forget I ever knew you I leave the past and rise above I let you go and fall in love With everything that I’m made of Say goodbye to all I’ve been through And forget I ever knew you I turn the page I’ve got nothing to say but I’ll start writing anyway Something that gets me moving on again Stuck in this place I’m putting one foot in front of the other foot Maybe today I’ll let this be over and done again I’d make up my mind if I could And leave this all behind me for good I’m getting tired of trying So maybe I should just... Fly away let my heart pretend My dream comes true and the story ends [ Forget I Ever Knew You song text brought to you by LyricsYouLove ] I get on my feet and start again And forget I ever knew you I leave the past and rise above I let you go and fall in love With everything that I’m made of Say goodbye to all I’ve been through And forget I ever knew you The sun can shine a little brighter now I’m gonna make it on my own somehow And I will start feeling alive again, yeah I’ll start living life with no regrets ’Cause the best hasn’t happened yet I’m just fine with you out of my life I’ll just, fly away let my heart pretend My dream comes true and the story ends I get on my feet and start again And forget I ever knew you I leave the past and rise above I let you go and fall in love With everything that I’m made of Say goodbye to all I’ve been through And forget I ever knew you And forget I ever knew you I never knew you Say goodbye to all I’ve been through And forget I ever knew you’

Well since you don't know the whys and how of that conversation, which is no ones business, then I think you should not judge me.

Gibby, while some people may choose, for awwhile, to live a gay lifestyle for the kinkiness of it, true gay people are born that way. IMHO and knowledge of the subject. They don't just wake up one day and say, "Oh what the heck, I think I'll be an outcast and have a miserable life, and become gay!" I believe Clay is gay and I can understand perfectly well why he has to claim he isn't and stay in the closet. I think with this baby business he is taking one step out of the closet. If he is not gay then I will be the first to tell him to pull down his pants so I can apologize and kiss his lily white ass. He won't, but if he was to ever ask me, I would advise him to just come out. Let the chips fall where they are and live his life. Find true love. It would be the best thing to happen to his career in my opinion. He would probably be surprised at the amount of respect it would give him from the industry and his peers. Seing as how I believe his OTT fans are an albatross around his neck, way more than who he sleeps with has ever been. If he came out, then there would be no need for fans to engage the swamp people. No need to even go to sights like PH or John what's his name? No need for fans to go and protect him on every site they can find with a gay inuendo made on there. Or a less than flattering statement made about Clay in some obscure person's blog. There would be no need for the late night comics and others to make jokes insinuating his sexuality. There would be no need for fans keeping tabs on other fans who might believe he is gay. It would put an end to fans at OFC trying to run other fans off who belong to the OC board, or who think he is gay. It would put an end to sooooooo much. Mainly, and more importantly, it would be the most freeing thing Clay could do for himself. When I first listened to his new cd I came away feeling very sad for Clay. Just listen to the words of the songs that he chose to put on this cd. Yes, I know he said they don't necessarily relate to him. However, I disagree somewhat. They had to resonate with him, somewhat, otherwise he wouldn't of chosen them. I hear a man who is terribly lonely, and conflicted. A man struggling with the idea of staying in this business or giving it up so that he could live his life, A man who is tired and weary of his fans and their unsatiable needs that he can't seem to satisfy no matter how hard he tries. She wasn't my first choice either, remember the flogging I got for thinking she wasn't good enough for Clay? It is not easy to find someone who wants to give someone else a baby and keep it and help raise it. She is a close friend who knows him better than anyone else. A closer friend than Quianna or Angela. I do not see anything wrong with Clay wanting a baby and asking someone to help him out. I never had a problem believing this story. I just had a WTF moment about Jaymes. muskifest, yes I do remember that movie. I always thought Madeline was a very funny lady............ Okay, I'm done. I know I will get piled on for expressing my opinions but I don't care. I gave Clay the benefit of believing him, when he says he is not, but no more. I have watched, listened, and been around too long now. I want to express my opinion on this subject honestly, for once. I have never publicly said these things in the past. I think it's time, for me anyway, to do that. I am okay with what I believe and I don't feel the need to be ashamed or worried what other fans think of me for it.. I have already expressed to his mother a long time ago, that I love Clay and if he were gay it would make not one bit of difference to me. I don't judge people by that and I am here because I enjoy his talent, and I will always support him in some small way, the best I can. :F_05BL17blowkiss:

Dang. He can SING with that beautiful humongous thang, too? Clay may not be able to sing with his penis, but I bet he could make me sing with it. Clay has stated that he has had Cosmopolitan drinks and that he has had wine. Now I don't think he is an alcholic. I think he rarely participates in the drinking of spirits. However, I also believe if the occassion called for it and he was in the mood he would indulge.

Don't have anything to do? Why not spend some time giving these sites hits. Click on the other links listed such as i Tunes, etc. Listen to his songs, or watch his webcams. I just relistened to Mary Did You Know from i-Tunes. Create a little activity on these sites. His Myspace, I think it was, only has 3,000 some hits......... http://www.youtube.com/clayaiken http://www.clayaiken.com/ http://music.aol.com/search/?query=clay%20aiken http://www.myspace.com/clayaiken See what is happening with his charity. http://www.bubelaiken.org/ He's #4 on the most increased plays and most added list, but not on their top 20 playlist yet. http://www.radioandrecords.com/Formats/Charts/AC_Chart.asp He's moved up to #28 on All Access http://www.allaccess.com/ He's #28 on MediaBase, too http://www.mmr247.com/mmrweb/AllAccess/Cha...p;showtopn=2000 School's out for Summer....................... I just spent the last two days transplanting Lariope all around the base of my house, and my flowerbeads. I have tons of Lariope. It is a great ornamental grass and hardy. It multiplies fast, too. Plus made a new flowerbed at the end of the driveway. Put in some blue creeping phlox, a white azeala bush and some pink pampas grass. I've spent more on plants etc this year than in the past two, combined. Got some cuttings etc from friends, too. It's so nice to share the wealth but heck I paid dearly for some astilbe bushes, pink. I also found something so damn cute. I've never seen it before. It's called Hot Lips Sage. Little flowers that are white and at the end they are red shaped like lips. It's beautimous........ Get out and get some vitamins from the sunshine, people. Although today it is cloudy and rainy. So I guess I will iron and get things ready for my trip to Illinois, later this week. IMHO some people are just having a hard time dealing with the idea that Clay is more than likely gay, more than they are that he is having a baby with Jaymes. I have never had him on a pedestal but always knew that sooner or later fans where going to be in for a rude awakening. Clay is not a Saint. He is not the savior for the music business. He is not a virgin saving himself for marriage. He does cuss, he does drink, he does lots of things. He is more than likely never going to be married and have children the traditional way. Jaymes is pregnant and it is Clay's. He asked her to do this for him. That's my reality and belief. If that is showing disrepest for Clay, then you can delete that, but I think it is high time some fans face some things about Clay, and not necessarily about his sexuality. I love him just the way he is.

KBEZ-FM Tulsa WLNP-FM Wilkes-Barre KKMY-FM Beaumont, TX Are playing Clay. In fact he is being played on 21 stations now. If anybody cares..........................

Well congratulations to the Obama supporters. Good luck in November. I watched the exit speech today. She did what she had to do, and did it with dignity and grace. I cried for her, for me, and for the country..................

I have a date tonight with this guy.................He has no problem coming to see me in my back yard. You hear that Clay? Carrie Underwood is the opening act....................He's a new pappa too.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9fy91mHAPpE...feature=related I'm going to have to take the long way to get there because traffic is already backed up for miles. He doesn't even start till later this evening. He will no doubt fill up the entire Razorback Football Stadium.

That's what she said alright.

The Clintons have been vetted, investigated, scrutinized, pummelled, disgraced, turned upside down, sideways, inside out, recently accused of being racists. hated by the press. for the past upteen years. There'e nothing left in their closet, not even a piece of fucking lint. Have you been living under a rocK? Please enlighten me and the rest of us Hillary supporters how they got their $109 million dollars. I'd like to hear it. I would venture to say it was from book sales, speeches, investments, and salaries, etc. But I'm sure that you know of some dishonest ways that I am unaware of. Please share all of the stuff that the media has given her passes on too, while you're at it. Because I totaly disagree with you on that. Well Obama could be purple for all I care. Race is not the issue for me. I know and understand that African American people are proud of having a candidate to rally behind and be proud of. I think it's a great historical event. I would vote for a black candidate if I liked, trusted, and thought the person had the right experience or qualifications. Someone like Colin Powell for instance, and he is even a Republican of which I vowed never to vote for again. Someone with only 2 years as a Senator deserved more scrutiny and background checking than Obama has received. He has not earned the nominee position in my opinion. It was handed to him on a silver platter. I think it is unfair to suggest that Hillary supporters would not support a black candidate. I don't trust Obama, nor do I like the attitude of his wife. He is an elitist and too far in dreamland. He is not even in touch with the real kitchen issues of the working class people and the women in this country who make up the majority of voters. I don't like the radical people they seem to surround themselves with in their lives. She thinks the world owes her something. Nobody knows the real Obama in my opinion. I wouldn't vote for Obama simply to get a Democrat elected to office either. Just as I will not vote for McCain. I will stay home from this election if Hillary is not on the ticket. Plain and simple. I don't have to vote for someone I don't like either. You can call it sour grapes or what ever you choose. We will just agree to disagree........... :F_05BL17blowkiss:

If they say Jaymes pulled them over to tell them at her birthday party in March (Jaymes is a Pisces?) that she was having a baby, this thing seems very TRUE. These are her friends. I assume that means Clay knows them too. Word to live by: Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean people aren't really out to get you, ... and Just because something is first heard from a questionable source, doesn't mean it can't be true. I used to have a little thing for Eric Roberts -- back when he made that movie with Rosanna Arquette in the 80's. Clayzorback, give it up, babe! You're sounding a little more intense than the Clintons-- who, by the way, will have their arms around Obama pledging to work for his election blah, blah, blah, blah... and the beat goes on. Hillary has been dancing to the Veepstakes Rag for weeks now. Crow and brag all you want. If he knows what's good for him he will put her on the ticket. Otherwise 4 more years of Bush. I wish she would tell them all to kiss her ass and switch parties and run on the Independant ticket. That would be my dream scenario. I hope I don't have to come around and be an "I told you so" when people are sorry they voted for him............... Of course I'd support a Hillary McCain ticket too.

:F_05BL17blowkiss: Hi stranger.............The Democrats are going to need a lot of luck in November. :F_05BL17blowkiss:

At the risk of having another IGNORANT opinion. She is preggers and it is Clay's. I believe it's true. Did from the start. I don't think they will get married or that they love each other in a romantic way. Just friends..............Congratulations to them both I say and I bet Faye is ecstatic to be a grandma.

clackclackclackclack. I NEEDS it! Who is this RMD person and why is she still calling, emailing, communicating, and pestering them? Seriously? I don't read at CH or anywhere else, so I am guessing it is someone from RCA's marketing who helped with the CD release parties, which have long been over. *shrug* See I think it was over the minute the media and the DNC made Barrack their choice to win the primary. The love fest for him and the blatant trying to push another candidate out of the race was dispicable. JMHO. He may have won the primary battle but he hasn't won the war yet.I don't think he will either.............There's lots of stuff that can come out between now and November. I love me some pissy "daddy" Clay.

:F_05BL17blowkiss: Let it go sheila. I have............

Apology accepted and no hard feelings toward you OOlsee. I was not trying to target you specifically. Thank you KAndre for acknowledging that this does happen in real life. I may not be the sharpest tool in the shed, but I know a bit about human kind. No way do I think that people should exclude people, who may not be their peers, but in general it is the way of life. I will agree with you that "Clay is not perfect" used to not be the prevailing attitude on this board. Or at least it wasn't when I joined here. Members here could keep a toe in reality. They could see the good and the bad in things. Smart woman who didn't think Clay was our savior. No pod people. No conspiracies, You could post you didn't care for something and not be tarrred and feathered. It just seems to have changed for some reason. My problem? Yes, but you know people have feelings, and I am no exception. I've brought friends to this board who I feel I have lost. It saddens me. I thought I had made friends on this board. Apparently not. The cold shoulder on this board is so transparent you can cut it with a knife and I just find it sad. The only time I get any acknowledgement from anyone on here anymore is when I say something they don't like. Never mind all the wonderful stuff I might have been posting. Never mind I am as much a fan as anyone else on here. It has become like vultures waiting for me to say something negative so they can come out and feast. That's all I have to say on the matter. Clayzor, I'm not a regular member of this board but just wanted to publicly state that you're the only reason I come here-just to see what you have to say. IMO, you are the most interesting poster on this board. I remember the first trip we took together and it seemed like the only thing we seemed to agree on was that Clay was hot and had a beautiful voice. And we talked and discussed the entire 8 hour trip and did not once get angry or upset with each other. These people just don't know you and how colorful and funny you are. Keep your chin up. I posted on this board for months and I can so relate to the cold shoulder, the few times I was acknowledged, with the exception of you, was when I said something they didn't like. And then I'm reading on here the other night and someone says basically the same thing I did and hardly a peep from anyone and yet I got dogpiled on for saying the same thing, so I guess a lot of it is who you are, not what you say. :F_05BL17blowkiss: Thank you my friend...................I value your opinions...............liney I have already addressed my comment about downgrading. More than once. Why won't people accept it and move on? I don't know how I can explain myself any better, nor do I care to. If the mods want me to find another board to go to then I guess I can do that. I certainly am not trying to stir the turd on here on purpose. I just gave a different view point and opinion. I sure think people are over reacting to what I said but I think sheila is right. It's not so much what you say as it is who is saying it............

Apology accepted and no hard feelings toward you OOlsee. I was not trying to target you specifically. Thank you KAndre for acknowledging that this does happen in real life. I may not be the sharpest tool in the shed, but I know a bit about human kind. No way do I think that people should exclude people, who may not be their peers, but in general it is the way of life. I will agree with you that "Clay is not perfect" used to not be the prevailing attitude on this board. Or at least it wasn't when I joined here. Members here could keep a toe in reality. They could see the good and the bad in things. Smart woman who didn't think Clay was our savior. No pod people. No conspiracies, You could post you didn't care for something and not be tarrred and feathered. It just seems to have changed for some reason. My problem? Yes, but you know people have feelings, and I am no exception. I've brought friends to this board who I feel I have lost. It saddens me. I thought I had made friends on this board. Apparently not. The cold shoulder on this board is so transparent you can cut it with a knife and I just find it sad. The only time I get any acknowledgement from anyone on here anymore is when I say something they don't like. Never mind all the wonderful stuff I might have been posting. Never mind I am as much a fan as anyone else on here. It has become like vultures waiting for me to say something negative so they can come out and feast. That's all I have to say on the matter.

That rule has been here from day one... DAY ONE... it's one of the reason we wanted our own board because of the rampant disrespect for Clay and his mother and his friends. We are all smart people here, you can say whatever you want and it can be said in a way that is not disrespectful. And I know Clayzor that you, and everyone else here is really strong in character not to be browbeat into one opinion. I know I am. As long as people, all of us, want real communication, I know it can be done. There have been LOTS of laughs here over this whole thing, yet, I really don't think it's group think that that the majority do NOT believe Clay, if this is true, did it to be cool and downgrade with respects to your entire post had a very negative connotation about Jaymes. All of your explanation posts was done in an entirely different way. I'm surprised you're suprised that anyone had a different view. It was strongly worded opinion that got strongly worded responses. You can handle that. Lucky, thanks for the info about the gala. I had given up on that due to the cost but hey, I think even I can scrape it up by the end of Julyl. So. hmmmmm..is everybody all partnered up? AIKim... I wouldn't judge people so harshly. I know I haven't been around reading a lot of stuff but if people have issues over certain aspects of the story which of course may not be true and we have no facts on ... whether it be the age difference or AI... I don't think it's a character flaw. Of course I didn't read the OFC and I read one post over there and saw red bwah. But that was all about how Clay's life had been reduced to a PR campaign. I know that the rule has been here from day one, couchie. I never once thought my thoughts about this would be taken so literally and with such vile hatred. Being able to state your opinion with out being called IGNORANT, used to be the norm around too............Why the disrespect aimed at me, or Claygasm or anyone else who has a differing opinion about something? I don't recall that atitude being as prevalent as it has become on here. Yes I can take care of myself, but I feel like I have been a member here long enough that the regular members here should know by now that I am a die hard fan of Clay's. That I respect him his mother and his friends and should not have to explain every post I make. I used to think I was a part of this board and becoming a valued member. Not anymore, though, and I just think it is sad that people want to find negativiety and disrespect for Clay from me.

While we're at it let's keep those people with abilities different from our own in the attic where they belong! We don't want them associating with us normal people. Wait a minute. I'm a superior being. Why am I associating with you normal folks?!! When people tell me that I should only date people within 10 years of my age, I tell them that I only listen to people whose IQ is within 10 points of my own so I'm not taking their advice. Oh, and if you were to say this to me at my workplace, yes I would sue. And I would win. Excuse me but how did you manage to bring disabled people into this conversation? I've lost your train of thought. I don't recall ever mentioning Jaymes age in anything I've said on this topic either. Perhaps you are taking what people on other boards are saying and trying to attribute it to my posts and meanings. I haven't read a thing or associate myself with anyone else on other boards. Since when is speaking a reality mean I agree with it?

Okay...I'm sorry, Couchie, but I've got tears running down my face from reading this...holyshitthat'sfunny! BWAH! Of course, I immediately got that picture in my mind---the one of Clay in his "Even my hand rejects me" hat. :lmaosmiley-1: Okay. I'm done... BWAH! :lmaosmiley-1: ahem... snickergigglesnort Oh that was rich couchie. I lmao...... Perhaps downgrading wasn't the best choice of words to use. Communicating on this board used to not be the problem it has become, for me. When I first joined here, people could have different opinons with smart, respectful discussions of those differing opinions. With the influx of all the new members it has seemed to change quite a bit. I agree with Claygasm on that. An air of superiority or something has integrated this board. There seems to be a no tolerance for any mind set other than Clay is perfect, and can do no wrong. Oh yeah, you can say something that isn't exactly flattering or popular, but you are highly encouraged not to, by the prevailing attitude that he is perfect. Add in the rule that you can't be disrespectful of him or anyone in his posse? Well, duh, that kind of leaves no room for anything except rose colored glasses. I don't expect people to agree with everything I say or think. I don't have a problem if they call me on something. The only time I have a problem is when they are disrespectful to me in their disagreement. When they cop an attitude and inject a tone of disdain towards me, then I/we have problem. The need to keep quoting my post and going on and on about how insulting it was. Even long after you try to explain yourself. That's were the pile on and trouble starts for me. Look. I don't think Jaymes is not good enough for Clay or anybody else. It doesn't matter to me who he latches onto. Most people know my feelings on his sexuality. My friends know I love Clay and was not putting him down, or Jaymes for that matter. I don't think there is a "mess" created by this "scandal." Most people in the mainstream do think Clay is gay and fans are never going to change that. The time to worry about what is said about Clay in the media, is when they aren't talking about him at all. JMHO!!!! If Clay Is not gay and was to get married I would assume that he would marry someone who was a prominant person in their own right. Not by their association to their brother. Would no one agree that having babies is a big thing with the Hollywood crowd right now? Does no one but me see the cougar movement? Am I the only one who thinks Clay, or anyone else shot to fame, would not be capable of succumbing to the Hollywood trapings? He is as human as the next person. As for the dowqngrading comment? I think in real life that rich people marry rich people. College grads don't marry high school drop outs. People don't trade in their Cadillacs for a volkswagon bug, when they want a new car. People stay in their own social standing, circles, or whatever the hell you want to call it. That is all I meant by that comment. So hell yes, I would assume that if and when Clay marries someone it will be someone who is not an unknown. Someone of equal status and celebrity. So sue me. I think that is a normal thing to expect. True there are exceptions to this thinking but for the most part that is real life. I was not taking personal jabs at Jaymes. I don't see Clay ever marrying, at all. SO, I can see him doing having a baby this way. I see absolutely nothing wrong with it. I was just speaking to my surprise that it would be Jaymes. I don't have this problem communicating in my real life. Only on Clay boards where some people (IMHO) are so OTT in their love for Clay. When you can't sit back and have a laugh at Clay's expense or be objective or tolerate anything but worship for the man, then you are the one with the problems and should seriously take a step back. I had no problem with Ansamcw's admin note. I didn't take it personally and she Pm'ed me about it. I thanked her. We're good. I respect her and couchie and this board. Sometimes I think I should just keep my opinions to myself and friends in PM. But then I think the more it seems people are ignoring me or trying to run me off the more I think I will stick around. I think if a person is looking for negativity, where none was intended, they can always twist things around to find it.

That's the point I was trying to make. She isn't a known celebrity like Clay, or Demi Moore, or others and therefore it IS an odd pairing for some people. I may be the only fan out there who has not seen or heard any of it on my TV. Of course I didn't go looking for it. If it was Paris Hilton, or Angelina Jolie it would be covered for months. But it isn't. It's Jaymes Foster and most people don't know who she is. That's not being disrespectful to her it is just stating a truth.