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As someone who kinda felt like it would be fun to see the Cluben, at least, and fun to see all three singers having fun - I feel like this all wouldn't have been such a big steaming pile'o'mess if it weren't for the fact that in some places every time Clay so much as farts or sees a movie it is treated and dissected and declaimed, acclaimed, or derided as a career move. And then, of course, depending on the verdict, things get ugly, things get said that perhaps should have been deleted.

oooh! Is this the same AIW from last year? Any new tracks?

Can't say it better than that!!!!!!!! WORD. Oh, and on the subject of overseas tours - don't know why Clay has not gone yet, am not all worried about it. BUT - to assume that sending a singer overseas is some yooge priviliged investment? That will rocket a singer to the stars back here? Nope. Mario Vasquez, for example - RCA invested a lot in Mario, and the sales were poor. So why not send him over to Europe, just to see if perhaps he catches on over there? It does not cost much, travel on business is tax-deductible, and ya never know what will happen. To put it in some sort of perspective - David Hasselhoff. Very popular great-selling singer in Europe. here, not so much. Constantine Maroulis went to the Philppines. Did that help his career in the long run? Maybe not. I don't see a conspiracy, I just see a bottom line.

Heeee.....another Holland thing - french fries are "frites", from Belgium, and are served with a fresh mayo-type sauce. It is better, actually! So.....to sum up - BIG beer, pate and Brie sandwiches, all-fresh-asparagus menus (salad, soup, entree) when that harvest is ready, and Dutch guys are generally in fine shape from all the bicycle riding.... Den Haag is a fine place to visit, and the trains go all over Europe easily, too! Hmmmmm....that just reminded me of the porny discussion of how good the rich creaminess of mayonnaise and the firm French fry taste and feel when one swirls the crisp and stiff fry through the rich goodness and then gently bites down on it....... Lessee - one of my favorite memories is not hesitating a millisecond to be spoilered for MCWL; really, I never say no to that sort of thing! Shooting those MP3s all over the country to other fans! Following KAndre into a bar at the Borgata - attention is paid, folks, it was impressive indeed. Watching Scarlett texting, talking, napping, texting, typing away, in the back seat of Traveler's car, on the way up to Wolftrap from Valdosta. The three of us hysterically laughing because it was late, we were tired, and we couldn't find the front entrance to a 20-story hotel with its name in giant glowing red lighted letters. We ended up parked by the dumpsters in the back, for a while. Almost having a fistfight with the creepy couple next to me while I was giving a cellcert, and pretending nothing was happening. They stole my STREAMERS, dammit!!!!!!! The first cellcerts, which sometimes sounded like one of those submarine movies, people hunched over listening to the faint ping! of the sonar - it was so much fun!

oh, if only he would say that! Okay, I couldn't sleep, you can always scroll down to where I talk about food ..... When I started with this online fandom, it was for the fun of it all, and I was really shocked when people would get furious with Clay - just as if he was an acquaintance or family member - it still seems odd to me to have assigned a total stranger (and no matter what is ferreted or weaselled out about him, or what he shares with us, he is not our personal friend, that is too invasive and overinvested, IMO) - some people seem to have not only assigned him the task of constantly entertaining them, they feel he needs to make them happy. That is a real WTF!!! for me. The need to know what he is doing 24/7 then morphed into the need to tell him what he should be doing, and then anger or disappointment when he just went about his life like any other person. Why on earth would there need to be a definite reason for him to be in New York? with a friend? Yikes! Some of the fans have put Clay into a much more restrictive box than the fabled Clive construction. Yes, some folks are just curious, but some also have expressed that he shouldn't be wasting his time on frivolous stuff, he should be working. LTS was when I really saw the ugly - IMO that book was not an autobiography, it was not a thinly disguised slap at his family, it was storyteller Clay fashioning snapshots of his life that he thought might strike a chord with young people who were having problems. But, wow! such ugliness, and also, such a creepy desire for some, evidently, to state that they were much better and nicer than his mom, poor Clay, dressed poorly and not showered with gifts. Thank goodness the folks who completely diagnosed and assessed all his problems, using just that book, are not really practicing psychologists - ya know, even a professional needs to talk with someone over a period of time, sometimes years, in order to make a diagnosis (heh, or condemnation) - a professional would not make a quickie judgement based on a book written for kids - a book that was expressly described as NOT a tell-all autobiography - and then post nasty crap publicly. YWT-gate was nasty too - I guess I could see why some people didn't like it, but there was such a meanness for a while. And individually not caring for it? Fine, but then some made blanket statements that their part of the country was too sophisticated for that sort of thing, and would exit en mass - didn't happen, tho. That is when I first noticed that some people were trying to tell Clay how to conduct his career through the boards - funny, tho, there are so many disparate opinions that hopefully it is pretty much like Lassie barking furiously, to him - "What? Timmy's in the well? No? Timmy's fallen and can't get up? YAPYAPYAP!!!!! What? I should sing hott songs? No, I should sing pop? No gospel? What?????" So then I started to regard some of the people who got quite vitriolic and mean as just people I would not want to know in real life, people I would not, for instance, care to invite over for dinner. Yes, I know that they wouldn't want to come over for dinner - but that makes it a win-win, really. And then I thought, well, this is perhaps just people writing in cyberspace, and they are not really like that in "real life". Wrong again, some of those people will fuck around with Clay's real life, or that of his family, friends, and associates, and in some cases, other fans, cackling with glee. I dunno, maybe for some it was that all the Look at meeeeeeeee!!!!!! stuff did not work, so then there was disappointment, then anger. And then perhaps it was felt that okay, even if Clay won't acknowledge them as speshul, then perhaps they could get that validation from other fans. I think that pretty much sums up the RHT/Todd drama, for example, but holds true for some individual fans as well. It seems to me that since then, there is just a very vocal group that has gotten so over-invested both in Clay and in their need to feel superior, that they view everything through the very narrow lens of what will please them personally, and any deviation is an affront, and must be dealt with harshly. And any post that deviates from that narrow point of view is quickly given a correction. Blargh. What a waste of time. There is a difference between snark and not even thinly disguised swipes at Clay & Co., and I am pretty sure the people who engage in that practice are quite aware of that. I guess another turning point for me was when suddenly snark could not be directed at ourselves, because it might hurt someone's widdle feelings. Hurting total strangers' feelings is O-Tay! though. Grits is made from corn. Cream of Wheat is made from, well, you know. I don't use sugar or sweeteners at all, just because I don't like them, not because I am sensible or anything like that. Don't add salt to anything either, except for french fries. And I like my fries with mayo, and I think ketchup is harsh and nassssty. Two things I found out "right quick" when I moved to North Carolina from Illinois, years ago (I am now in Florida) - when someone says Hey! it does not mean I should stop and say What?, because I will be left standing there like a lost soul, and that the dead silence when I asked for unsweetened tea was not good. And it did not mean they had merely run out of it and were gonna brew some up just for me. It was only ten years ago that I found out that the canned green bean-cream of mushroom soup-French's Fried Onions casserole was not on the Thanksgiving table of everyone in the country. My boyfriend's family always had what they considered traditional - baked ziti. They had never heard of my traditional dish, and even when I showed them that recipe was on pretty much every can of all three ingredients, they acted like I had made it up just to mess with them. Sushi and sashimi are wonderful, when fresh and prepared correctly. The worst "famous" food I have tried, and failed, to eat is a deep-fried hotdog from Rutt's Hut in New Jersey. I think someone just accidently dropped a hotdog in the french fry cooker one day, and wouldn't admit it. Ms. Tomato, thank you for those lovely pictures - what a beautiful guy he is!

Well, I beg to diffa! When I was seriously doing Atkins, I would buy the pork skin and drop the pieces into boiling corn oil - they puff up beautifully, and melt in your mouth...... For some reason, I cannot bear the thought of hot tuna (anyone else remember that band?) - but I love cold canned tuna immoderately. Funny, tho, I can't imagine eating the tuna canned in oil, and that is all that we had available when I was growing up.

Well, okay, I am with ya 500% - if you are talking about cooked liver kinda lying there on a plate with some onions scattered around it. But, pate is wonderful! And so is Brie! And, if you like Brie, pate, and beer - consider a trip to Holland! You can order a pate sammich, or a brie sammich - and - this is so great for beer lovers - when you order beer, you can actually order a BIG beer - that is what is says on the menus! I spent many an evening exploring Dutch culture at this fine establishment, which is right on the boardwalk by the North Sea, and I recommend The Hague as a fun vacation for anyone..... My Webpage Um, Clay content....Clay has been to Europe, too! And we have both eaten at a MacDonald's in Europe!

Oh, um, I left out the part of a poddie party where harsh blame must be assigned, remedies must be put forth, great huzzah! is given to statements that fans should stay out of Clay's bidness, after which some of the very same fans proceed to directly try and insert themselves into Clay's bidness, and, once again, in the face of years of what I now am convinced is deliberate silence, the nomination of people who feel they know better than Team Clay, and, indeed, Clay hisself, are bandied about. Happens like that every single time. "Clay said he is happy and likes to sing reggae in the shower. No!!!!!! (Sound of pages being furiously flipped through....) Clay cannot even mention reggae until he is 35 YO and has just released his tenth CD!!!!!!! He is ruined!!!!!!!! It is Faye's fault!!!!! Or Mary's fault!!!!!!!!! It is Jamie's fault, she gave him dreads for Christmas!!!!! We need to make a thread at the OFC so we can tell him NO reggae!!!!!!" I love grits. With butter and pepper. Been eating grits since I was 5. I believe there is no way to make cooked cauliflower edible except maybe drenching it with cheese. And then eating just the cheese, along with whatever cauliflower molecules have gummed themselves to the cheese. Asparagus is fabulous. Freshed, canned, whatever. I keep a can of it in the frig, it makes a nice salad with balsamic vinaigrette on it.

MerryClay, there is an explanation around here somewhere, but - to me - the ugly part of the "tempest in a commode" was a perfect picture of poddie-mania. Some have decided, based on selective cullings and mystical (not to mention tortuously self-serving) interpretations of those of Clay's utterances which fit an agenda or plan, that they know exactly what Clay wants as far as his career is concerned. Thankfully, efforts to pry loose his mother and friends and choice of domicile seem to have finally withered away. So, based on eye-twinkles and perhaps 1.017% of what Clay has said in interviews and concert banter and M&Gs and such, it has been declared that he wants to be a cool hot pop rock star, and, most helpfully, a plan seems to exist that will guarantee that very thing, if ONLY he would listen. So, merryclay, my version of Poddies is that they view everything Clay says or does or anything anyone else says or does concerning Clay, through the lens of The Plan To Make Clay a Hot Cool Pop Rock Star (we will just refer to this as The Plan from now on, because my demonic keyboard does not like me to use the shift key, and does mean things to my typing). Now, we outsiders have never actually SEEN The Plan, but we sure do know when The Plan has not been followed. When The Plan has been disobeyed, great gnashing of teeth and clicking of heels and dire warnings permeate the atmosphere, and more doom and gloom is predicted for Clay and His Career than any seven witches reading rabbit entrails (obtained from Rabbits that died of old age) could possibly conjure up. I think that mebbe The Plan is written in vernacular that would give Flannery O'Connor a raging migraine, were she still with us, and only the most intrepid souls can decipher it for themselves. You might ask, but can't people who have an aversion to seeing Clay sing with two colleagues just, like, not attend? NONONONO! That would be disobeying The Plan!!!!!!! And all true believers in the plan must post furiously and often, waving their scissors wildly in the air over the cord that is Clay's Career Path. And, verily, if the possible disturbance does indeed not come to pass, then some will pat themselves on the back (presumably after putting down those scissors) and congratulate themselves and Clay for averting a terrible terrible deviation from The Plan. I will entertain questions, if there any any. By the way, I am now going to tell you guys a deep dark sekrit - I have learned how Clay has decided to render all pronouncements based on the appearance of his eyes useless but amusing - My Webpage - do not tell anyone!!!!!!

Well, I was in that place hours ago - even worse than no Cluben is reading that crap. I know that humor usually follows angst. But I miss the good old days when snark was directed at ourselves, not cheap shots at Clay's family and friends. For the people who think he reads the boards, if he does - he reads ALL the shit.

That really and truly would sadden me, disgust me, and come perilously close to being my burnt puppies. I am not remotely interested in a Clay Aiken who bends to the will of some strident fans. Blargh.

Oh, okay, I apologise, jumpingjacks, I guess I have read too much entitledly snoopy stuff elsewhere.....ship away! I just have read too many variations on "why on earth would he be in New York? with Quiana? What is his purpose? What does it mean? It says on Page 26 in "Building a Perfect Rock Star" that he shouldn't hang out with his employees once the tour is over - or else he better have a damned good and acceptable reason!" Did Clicque or BAF sell shares in Clay's life, and I missed it? Doesn't he get down time? I thought he only owed people performances when they voluntarily bought tickets, and music when they voluntarily bought CDs, and to be entertaining when at some publicised function. All other time is his own personal business, no? I worry that, for example, some people might think his relationship with Chamberlain is just a slick PR move. I admit I'm kinda disappointed that he blogged and denied the rumor...................

He always says Quiana and Angela are family AND friends, maybe there is something more, and maybe not, but I am truly puzzled why people elsewhere seem to think he shouldn't hang around with them when not touring. I have never gotten the impression that they are mere employees.

Oh, just the bizarre entitlement that makes needing to know what a FRIEND of Clay's is doing in New York with him seem normal, is just hysterical.....when did this happen, when did some think they are entitled to his life as if it was a pop version of the Truman Show? When did some start to see Clay and his friends and family and associates as playing pieces? Why on earth would a reason for Clay to be in New York with Quiana need to be found? Squicky, really. Heh, and I remember when Clay moved back to Raleigh, it was declared by some that he was cutting himself off from Culture - so now, when he takes in some Culture, people question it? really, WTF? This all has been fascinating, in a weird way, like all the obsessive behavior telescoped into one day-long social studies project.

Bwahahahahahaha! I love him! He is soooooo not the biddable boy, even though the self-styled "experts" have spoken.....haha! And really, if some people are all angry, hurt, confused, or whatever - it is not his job to soothe them.....he hasn't said anything, people are just working themselves into a froth (or being worked by others). Librarians - shall I google, or do one of y'all know where I can locate a copy of "THE Correct Career Path for Pop Singers"? Evidently one exists, and since I have read elsewhere that the South has not got access to the same books and internet and TV and sech, maybe I need to send Clay a copy so's he knows whut he is supposed ta be doin', 'stead of foolin' around goin' to Broadway plays and sech with folks he has no need to hang around with! OMG - he is out of his box!!!!!!!!! Muah! and a snappy salute! to KAndre! Oh, and if I knew that some people dementedly keep track of every time I logged in to a web site - I would have another login name, or I would have some intern log in for me.

Oh, THANK YOU for those pictures! Madam Jocelyn, I see what you are saying - I guess maybe it is just that I feel he is not messing with the collective fandom, just the strident noisy jibber-jabbering control freak fans. Madam Tomahto - I think you can include me in any of YOUR "we" statements! No shocks will be administered.

Well, when I read in other places that maybe he just doesn't want what "we" want for him, or that he is being stubborn in not listening to "us" - then I have to say I bow out of the collective fandom, and let it go at that. Maybe if every time someone spouted grandiose directives about his life, friends, family, and career, and typed "we" - and got a severe electric shock - that would make me feel better! I am more embarrassed by some of those types of comments than I could ever ever be about enthusiastic blinky ladies. In a way, this reminds me of a former boyfriend - he started out all great and admiring and supportive, blah blah blah - and then after a bit pretty much gave me a list of things I could change or do in order to make myself more like his ideal girlfriend. Because of course I was supposed to only live to please him - this did not flow in the opposite direction ever, he was perfect. Buh-bye, I happily sent him to be with another woman to boss around and constantly deflate. (no, not a toy!) - I realised that after I stopped trying to please him, and realised I could never really please him, it was just bringing my enjoyment of life down. So I mostly ignored him when he talked.

Post-ho-ing to say that I already miss the roar of the crowd when Clay appears - so I hope this is all true!

Heh, those people love their version of Clay unconditionally, Real Clay has nothing to do with it. To paraphrase Clay, some people have decided what he should do in order to be cool, thereby making them cool, too. And yeah, some of the whiners will still show up everywhere he goes, like Zelig. And I fricking LOVE how this has finally made its tortuous yet inevitable crawl back to Evil Clive Conspiracy Planet - evidently Clay is (theoretically as yet) planning these concerts because Clive/RCA has pulled the next CD already.

Heeee, there is no "collective" opinion, and most emphatically there is no "collective" experience, so I sincerely hope he just does what he wants; I have never liked the word "stubborn" applied when someone just feels like doing what they want with their own life/career. And I doubt Faye tells the world she feels nauseous and will quit being his mom whenever he does something she doesn't agree with! And, really, some of the more brassily loud and insistently strident advice just reminds me of Carly Fiorina trying to run Hewlett Packard - she didn't have the experience with the computer industry, she was a stellar cell phone saleswoman, and assumed she knew best from a shiny brochure perspective. HP lost stock value, employees lost jobs. She assumed she knew best for everybody else, and that if everybody else didn't agree with her, they were wrong and didn't count. The concerts/tour/whatever are sounding better to me, it should be fun - and just maybe all the "AI2 was the best year and is the reason ratings are so high now" remarks I have read will really be true, and they will have a nice successful run - while it is certainly not one damn iota of my business what Clay does with his time, this looks like a great, entertaining, thing to do. Unlike Hewlett Packard, I don't own stock in him. I hope the fifty2thirty extrapolation is true, this sounds like an excellent initial project, working with friends, doing what he loves, being in charge, getting the experience. I like a lot of other musicians, and I do not recall hearing much of anything about the tours from year to year - just read about them when they pass by, is all. So I fail to see how this can be any sort of a "step back" - unless some people still think that reviewers and stupid-assed bloggers can or should be won over. I let go of that a long time ago. I recently said I loved all the pictures - but I agree with Playbiller - that People picture looks weirdly like a completely different person, his face looks 'shopped or swollen, or both, and I just don't like it.

Just looked it up in iTunes - to this day, if you want THAT PARTICULAR SONG - you have to buy the album. At least that is how it looks to me. Part of what I love about this fandom is that, for me, not one other person has the ability, not to mention the authority, to "prevail", and all heads, cool or otherwise, are equal - I just read 'em all with a grain of salt. I think almost everybody's opinions are interesting, those whose opinions are consistently negative just get scrolled past or drop below my radar - they don't affect my Clay fandom the teensiest tiniest bit, just my appreciation of the boards. If I was on a board where I felt I was being instructed on how to feel about things, I would just leave that board, no big deal. I love Ruben's voice, and think he and Clay sound fabulous together, plus they have so much fun! I have never liked KimL, but got freaking bored with being told that it was because of Clay or A.I. - nope, my focus is not that narrow - music is subjective, and I like/don't like hundreds of artists, most of whom are not connected to AI, so that is just a silly specious argument, actually, kind of manipulative. I really love all the pictures here, it is great to have the beautimous image just show up constantly and yet unexpectedly, thank you to all providers! (too late to get into sad movies/songs again, but - no lie - part of the testimony during my divorce proceedings was about the way my then-husband cruelly pinched my thigh in front of friends when I laughed at Brian's Song while he was tearing up. I would so do it again.) I am sure that Clay's mommy-managers, who seem more intrusive than any Faye rumor or speculation, are firmly telling him what he should do right this minute over at OFC - which is the reason I only go there to re-up and to read his blogs.

So, okay - where I am coming from is - why is he required to be "right"? Do a lot of fans really really need a set in stone 10 year plan that can be introduced into the Congressional Record? It is the stating of whatever rumors/facts/insider info as truth, the ensuing angst/anguish/snoopy dancing, and then the measuring of each new utterance, appearance, or new "fact"-oid against the original thingy, and THEN more anguish, blah blah, he is making a mistake, people are out to get him, we should be guiding his career, all that kind of ridiculous stuff....it seems sometimes that actual real-time Clay doesn't exist for some people, just their own Virtual Clay, and when the two Clays diverge from each other, the un-fun starts. And I completely lose interest. And rumors? Once I found out that some rumors are introduced very deliberately in order to test people or just to stir shit, I stopped believing in any of the rumors, no matter who they come from. I am much more inclined to wonder what the agenda of the person who brings the rumor is. What kind of filters do I think they have. Because I believe that Procrustes antics play a huge part in all of this - I have heard stuff from M&G's presented all kinds of ways, sliced, diced, info left out because it didn't "fit". Hmmmmmm.....I think I might actually have as much fun with that as others have with planning his career to suit themselves.

Well, I can just WORD!!!!!! Ms. Tomato, above me! I started reading less and less, and posting less and less, when the "fan" part of this online thing seemed to leave the building, and things got to be more about self-proclaimed "experts" and "meddlers". When it gets to the point where whatever Clay does, it is immediately analyzed and pronounced "a mistake" - just because he hasn't done what some delusional people have decided he should do - then credibility is gone, fun is gone, some people are now really just about themselves, Clay and his career are just the peg they hang their yammering on. When it gets to the point where "modding" has been replaced with "correcting every single post that doesn't fall in line with an agenda", then, ya know, why post? Just sit back and read the "experts'" post and all nod in unison - even when it becomes clear that no one is an expert. Oh wait..... And sure, some people DO get some inside info, but then that is filtered, too, or kept super-sekrit (heads up! the sekrit password for reading this post is SNERK!) and to me becomes completely pointless because it is used like a club. It gets filtered through an agenda. Or six. Heh, Clay is so right about the blogging - if something he says doesn't fit the agenda, then of course he HAD to say it, the whole thing becomes ridiculous. And yeah, I didn't think everything was all OK, I just thought I was in this for fun, I am a Clay fan, I am not a fan of any other poster. Well, I might be a minion, but just here on this particular board. Thinking about the "prominent fan" issue some more - it occurred to me that fans who are prominent just because of sheer meanness, or trying to insert themselves into Clay's business, are famehos too. For me, I don't care if Clay pays attention to an over-the-top fan. But don't expect me to make that fan part of MY fan experience outside of a concert, that's all. Ryan S. stuff - well, he is recognisable to that whole huge AI audience, he is ambitious, he is available, he is non-controversial. Plus, TV is usually jumping on a bandwagon right after it passes by - is a show about hospitals or law firms a huge hit this season? The next two seasons will be chock-full of hospitals and lawyers, even tho the viewers have gotten tired of them and there is nothing really new to say or do. Mark Twain explains TV programming perfectly - just substitute TV programmer for Indians in the following excerpt from the funniest thing ever written ever (IMO), it is sort of a book review. (well, ok, madcowjj was pretty damned funny too - but she poked fun at US a lot, which is pretty much verboten today) - http://ww3.telerama.com/~joseph/cooper/cooper.html (the lead Indian has just jumped out of a tree into a boat and landed just barely in the stern, and the boat is still moving) - THAT is TV programming - network TV is always firmly behind the times, JMO. And having Ryan host just may be thought to be cutting edge - or maybe other people said no. Or maybe his contract with Fox requires him to do this stuff, who knows....he is quick with a wisecrack comeback, at times, but not very funny. JMO.

Hmmmmm.....I don't have any problem with someone getting Clay's attention (although I thought the Regina thing in Orlando went on a little too long) - but what I don't like is if someone who has gotten attention from Clay expects special treatment from other fans. I don't care who goes to all the concerts, I do get squicked by them standing around sorta posing because they go to all the concerts. Same with other "prominent" fans - I really only care about Clay, I don't appreciate someone jumping up and down in front of me yelling memememe, and I don't see why I should feel honored meeting a "prominent" fan, which in some cases seems quite expected. Attention from Clay? all righty. Attention and recognition from other fans because of that? Nope - to me, THAT is the famewhore thing. Heh, sounds like he DOESN'T reward bad fan behavior - his definition is perhaps quite different than what some think - attention during a concert, attending all the concert - yay! he has devoted fans! But messing with his personal life and/or business dealings? Reeks, and I feel he is quite aware of those people, he seems to rarely forget a face or a name or an action directed at him or his dealings - and seems to reward that behavior.....accordingly. Anyway, I lovedlovedloved all three Florida shows I attended, and in Orlando, Clay's voice sounded so low and warm and buttery and a bit raspy, that, um, I forget what I was gonna say...... One of my favorite things in Orlando was when all three of them were riffing and imitating each other, that was fabulous! I love that Clay has his "family" - I can hear him sing by himself just by popping a CD in a player, the concerts have so much more depth and entertainment value, I hope he keeps Q & A with him for a long long time. Suebee gave me a ride home from Orlando, and she was so fangirlie and on cloud nine that it was hilariously and charmingly endearing, she had notes scribbled all over, I would have to say I enjoyed her M&G almost as much as she did.

EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!! My favorite singer and my favorite comedian!!!!!!!!! A friend of mine Tivo's The Riches and we watch a couple at a time - I love that show. Great choice, Clay!!!!!!!